I have no idea what Trump could do to completely turn me away from him. It would most likely be in the Leftist direction though, but I don't know. For all I know he could yet do something I'd take as a huge betrayal, but that's a worry based on the general atmosphere in the country today and I don't have a specific expectation of what he might do. Both parties have been untrustworthy, but Trump is saying something I haven't heard in this country for a long long time ... maybe ever, something we've needed desperately to hear. He says things straight out that we've been dying to hear, those of us who voted for him. Whether he will or can do it all I don't know at this point. When George Bush said Islam is a religion of peace that was the moment I turned from him. There were other things but that was the main point for me. If there is a similar point that would turn me away from Trump I'll have to wait and see. What interests me about Trump is what I said are the reasons I support him. His policies, his promises for America. I think most of your speculations are just silly. Prison for abortions? Give me a break.
A few random people against Obama? What are you referring to?
It was EvC in general I was addressing as uninterested in the truth.
I only recently started listening to Alex jones, since election day.
I used to make a bigger effort to support my points than I do now. It's not worth it here. If I'm going to be dismissed anyway what's the point?
Seems to me Trump has already begun his job though not yet in office. Drawing businesses back to the US, keeping businesses from leaving. They seem to be responding positively.
I don't get this constant refrain about Trump not being a Christian. I don't think we've had a real Christian in office for at least a century, maybe more, maybe not since John Quincy Adams or James Madison. At least Trump identifies himself as Christian so we know he's had that kind of experience and has the worldview. It's the worldview that counts in a President, that's where the policies come from.
Nobody ever caught the Kennedys or Johnson or others in locker room talk but it's highly unlikely they didn't engage in it.
I don't take any MSM stuff seriously, it's lies and propaganda, so no point in quoting NPR or any of the rest of them.
Here's an interview with an ex-CIA agent objecting to Trump's plan to curtail illegal immigration, on the ground that this would be keeping out members of the world's greatest monotheism, by which of course he means Roman Catholics. The CIA is heavily Catholic by the way.
Here's the book, American Democracy and the Vatican by Stephen D. Mumford, 1984, that describes how the Roman Church interferes with and actively promotes the movement of millions of illegal aliens into the US. It discusses many facets of population growth but also the effect of illegal immigration in America. Not just interfering with preventing it, Mumford says "the Catholic Church actively encourages illegal Mexican immigration."
It’s all in Chapter Two, which I see is no longer available at Amazon because no image is available. Funny, it was available yesterday. So all I can do is link to the page and copy what I quoted of Chapter Two in my blog:
Our government is addressing itself to dealing effectively with this problem of illegal immigration ... those efforts are systematically negated by the posture of the Roman Catholic Church leadership, which has organized opposition to an adequate response to halt the invasion of illegal aliens. If the [RCC] were to withdraw from this political arena, most remaining opposition would be vitiated. During Pope John Paul II's visit to the United States in Octore 1979 he campaigned for the right of illegal aliens to migrate at will to the United States. He made his stand on this issue clear to American politicians and labor unions, the American Catholic hierarchy, the news media, and other sectors. It is estimated that over 90 percent of all illegal aliens coming into the United States are Roman Catholics. The [RCC] dpes mpt recognize national boundaries and national sovereignty. There is but one world -- a Catholic world -- and it has no boundaries.
The [RCC] created and maintains a nationwide network of centers devoted to locating and assisting illegal aliens to circumvent the immigration laws of the land. These centers have been described in widely distributed pamphlets and have been advertised on Spanish language radio stations. In one such spot an announcement aired on a station in our nation's capital, our former director of the Imkmigration and Naturalization Service urged illegal aliens to use these centers. One lengthy handbook in Spanish, El Otro Lado, a guide for illegal aliens states that assistance can be obtained from a church in any Catholic diocese, thus suggesting that all Catholic churches participate in the network.
He goes on to say that the handbook also directs them to taxpayer-funded free Legal Aid for help in fighting deportation. The author of the book says that it's a felony to aid or harbor an illegal alien. Is this still the law? The book makes it clear that American Catholics for the most part oppose illegal immigration as hazardous to the economy.
I guess I should appreciate that you've taken time to try to understand my point of view, such as by listening to Alex Jones, but you just sound like everybody else here, Mod.
Thought I should confirm that you are right that I've objected to Obama in the way you describe:
The birther nonsense you bought springs to mind. I seem to remember Conservatives, don't know if you were among them, harping on about Ayers for a while. And of course any tenuous link anyone claims regarding Soros.
Yes, all that, plus the fact that his mother and fathers and other men in the family and family circle were Communists. Also the interview with the mailman who talked to him outside the Ayers house when he was known to be "a foreign student," not an American, was particularly credible. And it's been a long time and I gave up, but I did look at all the documents purporting to show he was born in America and saw how they had to have been faked. But I gave up. We've had an illegal President for the last eight years. We're no longer America really, the Left has taken us over. I consider Trump's election to be some kind of miracle, God's mercy in a very dark time, which I can hope against hope will turn back the takeover and prove that the American system does work, but obviously the Left isn't going to just accept it as good Americans should, they're going to fight it with all they have. They've got a lot invested in their takeover of the country. So I hope Trump survives and can do quite a bit of what he wants to do, and that even some sour lefties might have to change their minds. We'll see, that's all, we'll see.
ABE: Forgot to mention his Kenyan grandmother who said she was there when he was born. Of course they rapidly shut her up but she said it, we all heard it.
Stephen D. Mumford is a bona fide expert on population control, a scientist with all the proper credentials who has studied the problem carefully and documented what he says in the book. Calling him a liar is ignorant to say the least.
You showed no lies in the quotes, you've just spouted off all your usual biased rhetoric. The guy has a reputation to maintain as a scientific expert, he isn't going to write an entire book exposing the Vatican's interference in population control, that is nothing but lies. It's an expose', it is a successful expose' -- I know there are many who have to deny it, but then it's they who are contributing to the lies that we're all mired in these days.
What you are willing to attribute to Jesus is blasphemously absurd. Violating our laws and putting American jobs at risk is not something Jesus would approve. But your false Jesus and false God are evident in everything you say about them. I'm just sorry it probably isn't evident to people who aren't Christians because you are seriously misleading them.
ABE: Of course they have no rights under US law, how utterly absurd, what twisted leftist reasoning. They have human rights to be treated well, but they legally have no citizen rights though the RC Church confers them freely as if they were running the country. The RC Church is one of the biggest purveyors of immorality in every possible way. Instead of defending them we should be telling ordinary Catholics to get out from under that evil institution.
You and the Left haven't proved any lies at all. You are aiding and abetting an illegal movement. By your reasoning we should take in all the billions of poor people in this world. Seems to me Christians do a lot to help the poor in this nation and the world. Your idea of helping is a violation of the moral law and in fact what you are doing is hating Americans. And that's the RC position too. What interests the RCC s power, just like all the other totalitarian ideologies..
There have been times when our conversations have been congenial. I've often called you Mod or Moddy because of that. This topic is particularly problematic though. I'm on edge because of the violent reaction to the election and you obviously share the anti-Trump opinions, which are about as scathing as it's possible to get.
I am sorry for all your suffering. I have to ask, though: you seem to go out of your way to stick out in a crowd, or do I have that wrong? I've known gays who have lived the gay lifestyle all their lives and don't make an issue of it. I even have a right-wing gay friend who voted for Trump and is very upset at the left-wing efforts to sabotage the election.
About Obama: I mentioned other things besides his grandmother that convinced me of his foreign birth. But I don't accept your argument about her. She spoke in Swahili on the phone call, and the translator is fluent in Swahili. The idea that he got it wrong is really indefensible. There were people around her who knew they had to hide the fact of his birth in Kenya and she's apparently forgotten that. But what she said was clear enough: she was present at his birth in Mombasa, Kenya. I'll post the You Tube video below.
It seems like whatever the right can show about such things is always discredited by the left on the basis of our having some personal need to see things as we do. That is of course very insulting. I spent some time looking at the evidence and was persuaded by it. Now perhaps you and others weren't, but I and others were. Evidence, not bias.
So again, I've regarded Obama as an illegal President for all these eight years. It's because the Left is so good at discrediting even the best evidence and hiding their many deceits sufficiently to fool most people that I do wonder if they will be able to steal this election after all. If they do I'll know I'm living under a fascist-style totalitarian system that even a hopeful election like the one we just had can't break.
Trump is guilty of crudeness. If the alternative weren't Hillary, whose Presidency would be an unmitigated disaster piling on top of the unmitigated disaster of Obama, I might regard his crudeness as sufficient reason not to vote for him; and I almost did as a matter of fact. But it is finally his promises to strengthen what I think of as the REAL America, get us out from under the Leftist America-destroying horror show, bring back prosperity, bring back businesses, bring back jobs, put us above our enemies, honor our laws, honor liberty and justice for all, and all that, that decided me to vote for him, decided me STRONGLY to vote for him. If he ends up betraying these promises I'll reconsider. But the threat of Hillary is still a powerful motivator to support him. This view of things totally trumps all those quotes you gave -- some of which are ridiculous anyway, blowing way out of proportion his crude remarks about women into accusations that he wouldn't defend children from assault and all that. When they go that far out, forget it, Also accusing us of racism and xenophobia. Sorry, I know I'm being sold propaganda. He's not going to cause damage at all, that's another false claim. Hysteria.
Again I'm very sorry to hear what you have been through. Sorry there haven't been better resources for you. I'd give you a hug if that would help. I've always been incapable of public speaking too.
As I said, there were plenty of other reasons I believe Obama was not born in America, and I'm still not buying the story about the phone call.
A reason for the natural-born requirement was to protect the nation against foreign influence. Well, in my view we've had eight years of foreign influence in the White House -- sedition, sabotage, treachery -- whatever the status of his birth.
And for all those who want to argue that he'd be legit even if born in Kenya, even with a Kenyan father, how come so much effort has gone into faking the evidence of his birth in America? Cuz faked it certainly is.
I think my conclusion has to be that the law was extremely badly written. If the idea was to protect the nation from foreign inluence, which I read earlier at some site or other, maybe even Wikipedia, then even if Cruz is also illegal I nevertheless have no doubt that he has a heart for America, as did his father, and that's why I wouldn't want to exclude him. Obama, absolutely no, it's not just his foreign birth but his foreign identification, and really his hatred of America, and his Marxist background, that make him unfit for the office. And the law is completely inadequate for that purpose.
By the way I was reading in Alan Keyes' website earlier and he slammed Obama for these same reasons, and wanted to impeach him. He also didn't support Trump, but I couldn't find anything he wrote since the election. I could have voted for Keyes, racist that I am.
What I said was that I may have to change my mind about the meaning of the requirement, meaning that Cruz looks to be disqualified too; but that if its point was to protect against foreign influence then that becomes the important thing, and the law should be rewritten to be more precise about the founders' intentions.
But actually, I'm not sure there's really much similarity between Cruz and Obama's birth situations anyway. Obama's parents were living in Kenya as citizens as I understand it, so Obama would have been born a citizen of Kenya. But Cruz's parents were temporarily living in Canada because his father had a job there -- visiting not living as citizens.
However, the Left doesn't seem to care at all if the nation comes under foreign influence. Jar wants to see a Muslim in the white house. Muslims don't adapt to their adopted countries, they remain Muslims, so there's a foreign influence. This means the essence of America will change with the mentality of the leader. We've seen that with Obama. Me, I'd like to see America remain America. Perhaps it isn't possible. Perhaps we're going to come under some kind of totalitarian rule. The Left doesn't seem to mind the idea at all.
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