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Faith 
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Message 618 of 892 (795114)
12-06-2016 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 609 by herebedragons
12-06-2016 8:26 AM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
I will agree with one sentiment you expressed. I wonder why other Muslim nations are not willing to help their own people. Islam is supposed to be about uniting the Muslim people,
No it's not. It's about taking the entire world for Allah, that means among other tactics dispersing throughout the world, building up the Muslim population and taking over all the other countries of the world. That IS the agenda of Islam. You guys are so naive who think it is just another benign religion. It is very possible that the reason Muslim nations reject the refugees is so that they will overwhelm the West. Muslim leaders have said clearly that this is the ultimate agenda. There are actually many sources of this information out there. Try Ramon Bennett's book. QUOTES from MUSLIM LEADERS. Straight from the horse's mouth. Sheesh.
instead they are oppressive and violent to each other.
Of course, the most radical consider the less radical to be weak and in some sense not truly Muslim. The problem for us is that Islam itself is the danger even if only some Muslims are radicalized at any given time. Why do you all deny this? Would you bring a sleeping python into your home? What happens when it wakes up?
Yes, this is a real dilemma because these are real suffering people. The question is how to help them without denying that Islam is evil. All you guys have to offer is denial. Try acknowledging the real danger so something realistic can come of it.
I'm not holdng my breath. You've all been so brainwashed I know any efforts I make are hopeless and only get me vilified. All this is God's judgment on the West and if we don't repent we're going to be overrun by enemies. Oh well, if that's the plan that's the plan.
However, I don't blame this on the Muslim religion, but on human nature.
That is a BIG mistake on your part.
Just like "Christian" nations have hardly been peace-loving and generous to other nations;
That's a lie.
it's not fair to blame that on the Christian religion, instead it comes from people's own evil desires and their use of religion as an excuse or a cover for their own evil desires. Same goes for Muslims. (I am not saying that Islamic ideology is good or equal to Christian ideology, I am simply putting the blame where it belongs - on human selfishness and ambition)
You are severely deceived.
I would also agree that the government should not have the right to force someone to give up their personal property. But I would also ask the question, would Jesus regard personal property as an absolute right of the individual?
The Bible supports private property without exception. Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet. That says it. Jesus is God. He must be in favor of private property. Any objection to it as an absolute right comes from anti-Christian doctrines like Marxism.
I don't see that... in fact, to me Jesus' message is that love for God and people trumps everything else, even our personal property, our security, our freedom, our individual rights, everything.
Love for God is not served by stealing from people. Individually we may be called to give up all kinds of things as we feel God leading us. But as a principle of the Law of God, we are to protect the personal property, personal freedom and all the rest of it, or the world would be a violent chaotic place. Which it just about is thanks to just that sort of thinking that refuses to respect the sovereignty of the individual.
That is NOT the message Trump and yourself are pushing - instead it is a message of fear, intolerance, self preservation, nationalism and judgement - not LOVE.
I strenuously disagree. I think you are twisting Christian doctrine, probably thanks to all the leftist propaganda out there. The message I am pushing is a message of respect for individual rights and yes, nationalism, as the best system for protecting individual rights. You can't blend nations together which are based on conflicting ideologies. There are evil ideologies out there. Your rhetoric is Leftist, not Christian. "intolerance? The intolerance comes from those who hate Chrsitianity and America. You are seriously deluded. Self preservation, of course, fear perhaps -- the world has become more evil than ever. Judgmental?: Listen to all you haters at EvC. Listen to the haters who oppose Trump. Listen to yourself. Love, yes. Love first respects the individual and the individual's rights. At the very least you have confused the stance of the individual toward God with the protections needed by a nation in order to provide for the peace of the citizens. You are free to give up all your rights and become a Catholic style saint if you like. But you can't ask that of a nation. There is a distinction between God's dealings with the individual and His government of the world.
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Faith 
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Message 623 of 892 (795119)
12-06-2016 2:00 PM
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12-06-2016 1:49 PM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
I'm glad to hear it. My information is rather old. But still a million is too much for the West to have to absorb. I knew Jordan and Turkey had taken some in but that Turkey is more of a jumping-off place into Europe. No?

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Faith 
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Message 624 of 892 (795121)
12-06-2016 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 621 by NoNukes
12-06-2016 1:44 PM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
If you are talking about the people crossing the border from the south, are you aware that they are encouraged and aided by the Catholic Church? They are even invited by the Catholic Church to make the trip in the first place. They are aware before they start their trek that the Catholic Church welcomes them into America. And when they get here they only have to find the nearest Catholic Church to be helped in any number of ways to transgress our laws and benefit from American taxpayers' money. That adds to my "intolerance" of the Catholic Church right there. What right do they have to impose millions of Catholics on America? It serves their political interests against those of the rest of us. Why don't THEY go to Mexico and help them out there? Christ does not encourage lawbreakers. Forgive them yes, but they have to repent and make restitution. The Catholic Church violates all the commandments. Where is Christ there? He's not.

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Message 627 of 892 (795124)
12-06-2016 2:18 PM
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12-06-2016 2:11 PM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
It's hard to love an institution that has murdered millions out of TRUE intolerance, since they can't stand to have anyone who disagrees with them in the world. It's just another totalitarian ideology like Islam that seeks to rule the world. Bringing in Catholics to overwhelm America is one of their strategies. I did a blog post on it recently, using a book by an expert on population control, on how the Vatican encourages overpopulation throughout the world by refusing all means of birth control. There is a chapter on how they push Mexico's overpopulation into America. Both Muslims and Catholics need to leave their evil institutions.

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Faith 
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Message 630 of 892 (795129)
12-06-2016 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by Taq
12-06-2016 2:20 PM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
The instances of it by true Christians are few and far between and clearly not justified by Christian teaching. The Vatican/papacy is not Christian, it has murdered millions. Islam was forced on Arabs at swordpoint by Mohammed, and that's how it continues in the world. Both systems only tolerate other beliefs when they don't have the power to do away with them. They are both always working to accumulate that power so then they can do away with all dissidents. Happy happy. Of course you all attack ME, the messenger. But I'm used to it.

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Faith 
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Message 636 of 892 (795137)
12-06-2016 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by Taq
12-06-2016 2:18 PM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
Let me quess: You are actually arguing that because of the crusades we should let Muslims into the country to rape, riot, burn cars and murder us? And eventually take over the country for Allah?
I am arguing no such thing. I am arguing that Christianity has a long history of attacking other religions, setting up ideologic theocracies, and committing genocide in the name of religion. I find it interesting that you ignore that.
It's lying propaganda. What do you mean by "attacking?" What do you mean by "setting up ideologic theocracies?" And what do you mean by "Christianity?" Roman Catholicism is not Christian, and it has murdered millions as "heretics" against its false doctrine, and it ruled all Europe as the "Holy Roman Empire" for centuries. Is that what you are talking about? The "genocide" allegations are false and pernicious, unless you are talking about the Roman Church, which, again, is antiChristian, not Christianm and murdered CHRISTIANS in greater numbers than any other group. If you are talking about American policies against native Americans that is pernicious propaganda to attribute it to Christians. Christians got along well with the natives in the early centuries of settlement.
Also, the Crusades were a papal operation, nothing to do with the genuine Christianity which founded this country.
Christianity didn't found this nation. We are a constitutional republic, not a theocracy.
The federal founding was founded by Deists, but it was founded by Christians in the sense that the original settlers were dedicated Christians, and it remained Christian in that the majority of the population through the founding generation and beyond by a century or so was strongly Christian, you could say the nation was a Christian nation. The main Founders unfortunately were not and they sold out the Christians, who did protest but I'm sure you know nothing about their protests. The nation could be a constitutional republic that acknowledges God without being a theocracy, and that is what it should have been. The English Constitution puts God above all. That's what our Constitution should have done.
But I get the message. You'd rather be under Islam. Well, you may get your wish. I think there may be some competition between Islam and the RCC but maybe they'll find a way to split the pie or something.
In any case it's you who need the lesson. I recommend the book I mentioned, "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett. He quotes Muslim leaders revealing the real agenda of Islam. The fact that some Muslims have adapted and not become radicalized is a good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that Islam itself is a totalitarian ideology that refuses to adapt or respect other religions who are all "infidels." There is no way of knowing, either, whether apparently adapted Muslims have really adapted or are "sleepers," who would become jihadists once there are enough of them to make it effective. I'd only be reassured if they renounced Islam altogether.
Same could be said of Christians in this very country.
Christianity does not seek to rule the world. It is not totalitarian, it seeks personal freedoms. Christians are born again by God, we can't force it on anyone. There is no violence whatever in Christianity, any violence by Christians is against doctrine; in Islam it's a fulfillment of doctrine; same with the RCC which is a man-made religion.
But you don't care, you hate Christianity and love the false propaganda you get from the Left. So again I see the handwriting on the wall: we're going down. Truth is losing, evil is winning. The Left may find a violent way to wrench the legitimate Trump victory away from us. There has been nothing like this in American history that I know of. The lies in the media, even lies actually promoting violence, it's unbelievable. Well, I think I've said my piece. Back to my blog before the evil empire censors it.
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Message 638 of 892 (795148)
12-06-2016 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 637 by Taq
12-06-2016 4:46 PM


Re: The Italian hotel owner
Catholicism is not Christian since they put human wisdom above the Bible, add all kinds of pagan irrelevancies such as worship of "saints" and "Mary" which are contrary to the Bible, use the rosary which is a pagan instrument (I was startled to discover that my Zen priestess friend kept a rosary wrapped around her wrist0; light candles the way pagans do; use the "sign of the cross" which is a superstition; relics, that are usually fake, but even if real are a pagan superstition; are extravagantly wealthy which contradicts the character of Christ and His disciples; wear fancy robes and expensive gems; wear pagan headgear (the "mitre" is the same headgear worn by the worsippers of the "god" Dagon, the fish god mentioned in the Bible) and so on and so forth. All this is pagan and contrary to Christianity. They do teach some of the gospel so it is possible for a Catholic to be a Christian in spite of all this, but the papacy was identified by ALL the Protestant Reformers and reformers back hundreds of years before them, as the "Antichrist." I understand that a lay person wouldn't know all this and just accept the Romanist claim to be Christian, but you really shouldn't for all these reasons and a lot more besides.
The federal founding was founded by Deists, but it was founded by Christians in the sense that the original settlers were dedicated Christians, and it remained Christian in that the majority of the population through the founding generation and beyond by a century or so was strongly Christian, you could say the nation was a Christian nation.
That's like saying baseball was founded by Christianity since the guys who invented the game were Christians. One has nothing to do with the other.
Not at all. Christianity is a worldview that colors everything in a culture through the beliefs and practices of those who hold it, and that was the vast majority of Americans for most of our history. The character of the nation, the character of its people, the way life was lived, the way law was understood, the morality that governed everything, was Christian, and it was reflected in all our institutions despite the deism of the founders. Even they couldn't avoid the Christian concepts they'd grown up with, they permeated everything they did and said in spite of themselves, and they even acknowledged the importance of Christian morality in the nation's stability and success. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are both strongly Christian in concept. The whole idea of individual freedoms is ultimately Christian. But since they refused to define the nation as Christian they did a huge disservice to the Christians who founded it and continued to display its fundamentally Christian character. From the beginning it was inherently Christian. It has changed largely because of conspiracies designed to change it. That's an intersting story, but I think I'll just let you scoff yourself to death instead of explaining it at this point.
In fact, a large part of the founding of the US was in direct response to the evils perpetrated by Christian theocracies. They went out of their way to PREVENT Christians from abusing power in the name of Christianity.
How ignorant of you not to know that they took that view from the Christian colonies whose founding was largely a protest against the tyranny of Catholicism in Europe, and later the Church of England. It is true that they each had their own state church and that is what the federalists opposed for the nation at large, because it would have created the power conflict between denominations you describe, but also because it would give the state power over the churches. Not having a federal denomination was necessary, but not to define the nation as at least generically Christian was a big mistake. Odd that you wouldn't know also that most of the delegates to the Constitutional convention were Christian leaders from the different colonies. I say this because you talk as if you think "they" who put together the Constitution were a completely different class of people from the colonists.
They had Christian prayer in the name of Jesus in the Congress, which showed the recognition that the nation was Christian in character. Now it's gone pagan and they pray in the name of every religion and every demonic thing. Unfortunately that will probably not change and will be a major reason for the nation's ultimate destruction.
Yet another lie.
You sling that epithet around rather loosely. I'm not lying, I'm saying that your attitude invites Islam to rule over you. I'm sure you don't consciously choose it, of course, but for all practical purposes that's what you are doing.
I would rather be in a country that does not discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs.
I do wish I had a better grasp of history -- although it's a lot better than yours on this subject in any case -- because I could then remember how it was understood that freedom can't be granted to any "religion" that advocates the overthrow of the government. That was grounds for keeping Catholics from political power -- a wise move that they foolishly abandoned. Even John Adams felt it necessary to let in the Jesuits after calling them the most evil bunch of men that ever existed, deserving of hell if anyone ever was. I don't know how one recognizes that and still allows them any kind of power to influence the nation, but that's what happened. SHould make you very happy. We now tolerate all kinds of religions, every sort of seditious power-hungry wolf in sheep's clothing and even satanism. So Muslims have all the freedom they need to take over the nation when the time comes. With your blessing. Enjoy.
Nope. Christianity does NOT seek to rule the world, is NOT totalitarian. Conscience can't be forced, persuasion is the Christian method, and of course we hope many will be persuaded so that they can have eternal life. Islam and Romanism have no such scruples and do want to rule the world.

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Message 640 of 892 (795150)
12-06-2016 8:49 PM


Progress of the recounts
While occupied with other things I've been nevertheless picking up bits of news about the recounts in Wisconsin and Michigan to the effect that both Hillary and Trump have picked up more votes, but Trump a lot more than Hillary. Anybody else heard about this?

  
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Message 641 of 892 (795151)
12-06-2016 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 639 by Modulous
12-06-2016 8:47 PM


Re: a long overview
Sorry I can't read your whole post but I saw the last part of it: Yes, I've thought that CHristian families ought to adopt Mulsim families as one solution to the problems I've been talking about and wherever that's feasible I would hope many would, but I don't know how feasible it is. I suspect that any attempt to teach them the gospel would be strenuously opposed by the Left too.
ABE: Glancing over the rest of your post, mostly by accident, I gather you are of course hearing nothing but the Leftist propaganda. The rapes have been staggeringly increased not just in Sweden but also in the UK, something like three times the normal rate since the increase in the Muslim population. You are getting a trivializing whitewashed pack of lies.
P.S. It's not that I don't want to read and answer your post but you always write tomes and this one looks like it covers too much for me to spend time on right now. If I can I'll try to respond later.
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Faith 
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Message 644 of 892 (795155)
12-06-2016 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 639 by Modulous
12-06-2016 8:47 PM


Re: a long overview
Oh well I guess I'll have to starve to death since I have to answer at least some of your post.
That's pretty standard 9/11 truther nonsense to be honest, surprised you hadn't heard it.
All I'd heard was that claim that the building couldn't possibly have fallen straight down as it did, which is the way buildings fall from intentional demolition, so that bombs must have been planted in them the same way they are for demolition. The problem with that is that the noises they attribute to bombs are known to have been caused by bodies hitting the ground -- AND there was nothing systematic about the noises, to put it mildly.
I had not heard the idea that a plane couldn't just slice through those upright girders and it does seem difficult to understand now that I've heard it. But I also can't think of any way things could have been contrived to make it possible either. Your analogy of the cans doesn't work for me because crushing is exactly what I'd expect to have happened to the planes; instead they cut right through the building, didn't crumple on impact, wings didn't shear off. I do find that amazing, but I would have to suppose the speed was the factor that made it possible, speed and angle. Isn't that how that trick is done with the outer edge of the hand splitting a stack of wood planks? It's the speed, and the angle that does it as I understand it. So I don't see Trump's idea working either.
OK I see you are saying pretty much the same thing.
That's enough for now. After this you are getting in to some vexed areas I'll leave until later.
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Message 648 of 892 (795191)
12-08-2016 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 646 by Modulous
12-07-2016 4:42 PM


Re: knowing better
Most of your list is fake news from the MSM, or taken so out of context it's meaningless. However, what it would take to stop supporting Trump would be an unconscionable willingness to keep going down the Leftist path that has been destroying America, a desire to see America impoverished and sunk into third-world status, a desire to see America overcome by enemies, a willingness to have a President whose moral record is abysmally below just about anybody else's on the planet, and whose husband's record may be even worse. There's lots more but there's no point in wearing myself out for people who don't care about the truth.
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Faith 
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Message 654 of 892 (795206)
12-08-2016 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 651 by 1.61803
12-08-2016 2:15 PM


Re: knowing better
He has shown he is bigoted, sexist, ignorant, bullying, vindictive, untruthful, judgemental, it just goes on and on.
None of this matters.
Of course none of that matters. It's false. It's all Leftist PC propaganda. ANd truth be told, that describes all the Leftists to a T.
I can put my description in positive terms. Trump will work to prosper American instead of impoverish us. Bring back jobs, put people to work. He will also work to protect us against our enemies, instead of selling us out to them as the Left does. Trump will work to protect our borders and our laws. I would like to see him throw the Vatican mob out of the country myself, since they are the ones violating our borders and bringing in illegal aliens. But I guess he won't do that. Too bad. However, he's for American sovereignty against globalism, freedom of speech against Leftist PC censorship and other kinds of censorship of views they don't like. America First, that's the tag. Overall Trump is everything the Right and Libertarians as well have been starving for for years.
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Message 657 of 892 (795210)
12-08-2016 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 655 by NoNukes
12-08-2016 5:07 PM


Re: knowing better
Ah the usual blithering.... But I would like to answer your kneejerk accusation about my Vatican remark. I tried to get the link to a book at Amazon but my computer is driving me crazy with glitches and hangups and I can't get the link. But it's easy to find at Amazon: American Democracy and the Vatican: Population Control... .by Stephen Mumford, a book written in the 80s about how the Vatican interferes with population control efforts, and in Chapter 2 he describes how they encourage illegal immigration. READ CHAPTER TWO at their "look inside" link.
I also did a blog post on it: Send the Vatican the Bill for the Wall
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Message 658 of 892 (795211)
12-08-2016 6:03 PM
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12-08-2016 5:50 PM


Re: knowing better
Ah the usual EvC ad hominem. No substance necessary, just look at the hair.

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Message 661 of 892 (795214)
12-08-2016 6:36 PM
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12-08-2016 6:31 PM


Re: knowing better
Yes, same guy and yes I object to his stance on abortion. It's Chapter Two that gives all the evidence of the RCC engineering illegal immigration. It's all facts. Please read it.

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