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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why cherry-pick one case to accept the evidence and reject all of the others? Why not go with the fact that there is no evidence of Jesus' resurrection?
In this case, I go with evidence. Phat writes:
Clearly not. Why do you keep bringing up that falsehood?
God represents thought for thought introspection and personal growth within the humans who commune with Him. Phat writes:
Why is it foolish to cling to a need for Santa Claus and also foolish to outgrow a need for God?
Only fools think we have outgrown Him or the need for Him. Phat writes:
Empty platitude.
We humans will never attain full potential without help. Phat writes:
The question is how COULD anybody override his authority?
The question is whether God would tolerate people in His house who had a free and rebellious will that overrode His authority. Phat writes:
Why? Unless he's a vicious sadistic bastard. ... the implications of Him controlling everyone are scarier.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
According to made-up bullshit.
The original sheep were the created angels, according to dogma. Phat writes:
God's house, a house belonging to a real God can... not... be... divided. What part of that do you not understand? A house divided against itself will not stand. Edited by ringo, : Punc.tuationAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yes, because if He is God and not just Colonel Sanders, he shouldn't have any problems maintaining decorum.
You are the one suggesting He let everyone in. Phat writes:
And God, by definition, entails not having to worry about a few potential tiffs between His guests.
I'm merely pointing out that not everyone is a follower nor marches to the same drummer. By definition that entails potential division. Phat writes:
God can. What part of that do you not understand? If you invite drunk bikers to your little daughters birthday party, you cant expect everything to go smoothly.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The idea of "free will" is pretty much nonsense.
He can't without over riding their free will... Phat writes:
Are you suggesting that he can't?
are you suggesting that He can magically make you get along with everyone while still preserving your right to autonomy? Phat writes:
Most parents manage to mediate between warring children without setting some of them up in solid gold playhouses and barbecuing the rest. Why is your God less capable than that? How would He accomplish this?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And what problem is that? There is only one problem that the critics reasonable have with the sacrifice.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't just convoluted. It's a complete non sequitur. It's like saying, "All dogs are brown. Therefore, the Eiffel Tower is the oldest bus-driver on Mars." It does sound rather convoluted.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamarkNewAge writes:
Like it or not, this is a blather site, not a raw quotation site. You're the one who is doing it wrong. (Did you miss the part about me ONLY wanting a raw scriptural quotation, absent any blather?)And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The word you're looking for is "credible", not "credulous". And the belief in a higher power is far, far, far less credible than the belief that we will someday find life elsewhere in the universe. But the belief in a higher power is no less credulous at this point than our science someday patting itself on the back because we found bacteria on the nearest asteroid!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That isn't what you said.
Im talking about our prospects after death. Phat writes:
Nonsense. Science is all about speculating on hypotheticals. The difference is that science tests the hypotheticals and throws away the ones that don't pass the test. You don't. You cling to your failed hypotheticals.
Using evidence as your core belief (seeing is believing) you will stop speculating on any hypotheticals... Phat writes:
They are equivalent. They are all failed hypotheticals. ... citing loch ness and Loki as equally likely as a Creator of all seen and unseen....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You should have that put on a T-shirt. Yes I did say it wrong before, not thinking.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
I wouldn't call it "well written". I'd call it more of a riddle.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.This verse is so well written that a 7 year old, near the end of the 2nd grade, should u/s it w/o any difficulty. Q: How is a raven like a writing desk? A 7-year-old might remember the answer if it was taught to him but he'd be unlikely to figure it out for himself.A: Poe wrote on both. It might even be the answer that John was trying to contrive but that doesn't make it true.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That may have been what John had in mind - but hanging "God" onto that idea is superfluous. My point is, however, that if math could have existed before formulas, why could not concepts, ideas, and ideologies have existed before language got around to hanging a label on them? "God did it" is an add-on that fits almost anywhere. "Thank you God for this meal, even though I had to work to get the money, go to the store, do all the cooking, wash the dishes, etc." And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Can a painting exist without paint? You pretty much have to have the medium before the medium can do anything, don't you?
But why is it impossible for an idea to exist before humanity evolved enough to define it? Phat writes:
Didn't Charles Manson say something similar at his trial?
John 19:11Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me if it were not given to you from above. Phat writes:
Writers can imply things that aren't true. What a writer thinks is only indicative of what the writer thinks.
Here is another example of a writer implying that God predated human wisdom, authority, and definition of ideas. Phat writes:
But it can be tested. We can compare human wisdom with wisdom that is supposedly imparted by God and we find that human wisdom is more consistent and relates better to reality. It also offers a belief that human wisdom is not our only source nor our first source. Granted it is the expression of a belief. And how would we ever test it?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Life began by leaching life? Would you care to think that through and try again? How in the world do people, such as evolutionist, accept the premise that life began by rain water leaching life from the rocks?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The one who is afraid is you - afraid of letting go of your fixed idea of God. If we did find an entity that was completely different from your pet god, most of us would be more willing to accept it than you would. Quit being so afraid of speculating on WHO or WHAT "did it".And our geese will blot out the sun.
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