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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1428 of 1748 (840096)
09-23-2018 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1427 by Faith
09-23-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Read it. It's unambiguous.
ONE verse is unambiguous. The verses that disagree with it are equally unambiguous. Unambiguous yes + unambiguous no = ambiguous.
Faith writes:
As every sane exegete for centuries has affirmed.
That would be the No Sane Exegete fallacy.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1466 of 1748 (840151)
09-24-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1431 by jaywill
09-23-2018 4:58 PM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
jaywill writes:
There is nothing about Jesus Christ's life, teaching, words, and deeds which suggest He wanted anything for Himself by which CONING the world was a way to obtain it.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or does it come naturally?
I didn't say a word about Jesus. I said YOU, jaywill, member of Evc forum. I said that YOU might be trying to con people or that YOU might be rube enough to believe the rubbish that you preach.
jaywill writes:
And time will tell who was cheated and who was given the real straight truth.
Time has already told. Your misrepresentation of the Bible has been exposed repeatedly in this very thread. And instead of standing up for what you supposedly believe and addressing the criticism, you invariably run away. That does not seem like the behaviour of an honest man.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1467 of 1748 (840152)
09-24-2018 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1447 by Phat
09-24-2018 7:33 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
But we could also argue that "many false prophets will appear and deceive many people" could actually refer to him.
Or it could refer to jaywill, Faith and Phat.

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ringo
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Message 1468 of 1748 (840153)
09-24-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1450 by jaywill
09-24-2018 7:54 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
jaywill writes:
First of all a prophecy which has not YET been fulfilled is not a "failed prophecy."
A cold-fusion reactor that doesn't work "yet" is a failed cold-fusion reactor. It is a failure until it ceases to fail. You can't say it isn't a failure just because you really, really, really believe it will work "some day".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1472 of 1748 (840162)
09-24-2018 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1471 by Phat
09-24-2018 3:03 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
I have no quarrel with the basic message of Matthew 25, but I hardly think it is enough with which to base one's entire belief.
As I pointed out recently, it's not an isolated passage - it's a trend that goes back to the Old Testament.
What's frustrating about you guys is that you don't think what the Bible SAYS is "enough" - you have to make up a lot of garbage like original sin and blood sacrifice to confuse the issue.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1474 of 1748 (840165)
09-24-2018 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1473 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:13 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
There is no such thing as a dated prophecy.
"This generation" might not be a calendar date but it's definitely a deadline - and well past its best-before date.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1477 of 1748 (840169)
09-24-2018 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1476 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:25 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Unless you read it correctly.
You're not reading it correctly. You're just making up what you wish it said.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1479 of 1748 (840171)
09-24-2018 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1475 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:25 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
The Bible SAYS those things....
We've been through that already. The Bible says a lot of things. You're just cherry-picking the ones you like.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1483 of 1748 (840175)
09-24-2018 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1478 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:30 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Jesus couldn't make a mistake like that.
Why not? He was prone to a lot of human foibles.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1490 of 1748 (840184)
09-24-2018 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1485 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:35 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Jesus had not one human foible.
If Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin, there would have been no point in Satan tempting Him.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1491 of 1748 (840185)
09-24-2018 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1481 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:32 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
They specifically answer your false complaint.
YOU didn't answer it. I pointed out that it only takes one ambiguity to make ambiguity.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1495 of 1748 (840189)
09-24-2018 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1486 by Phat
09-24-2018 3:39 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Name a few.
Besides His tantrum in the Temple, He destroyed an innocent herd of pigs and he withered a fig tree. Anger seems to have been one of His weaknesses. He also used perfume on his feet - I don't know if that was vanity or just plain selfishness. He prayed to be excused from the cross. On the cross He practically denounced God for forsaking Him. Sounds pretty human to me.
Seriously, you should know this stuff.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1496 of 1748 (840190)
09-24-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1493 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:07 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Who said Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin?
You said He had no human foibles. What could be more human than susceptibilty to sin?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1497 of 1748 (840191)
09-24-2018 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1494 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:08 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
I was answering your claim that Christians made up original sin and blood sacrifice rather than relying on the Bible. They are both unambiguously in the Bible.
No, they are not unambiguous in the Bible. I showed you the contradictory verses. The only thing that's unambiguous about it is your cherry-picked preference.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1500 of 1748 (840194)
09-24-2018 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1498 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Jesus never did anything that was not absolutely perfect and correct.
I gave you examples and all you give in return is unsupported denial.
Faith writes:
The way you denigrate His noble actions and words is positively nauseating.
Pointing out that He was human is not denigrating. He's a lot more impressive as a human who resisted temptation most of the time than as a God who could do no wrong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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