Christianity and the End Times

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Well that isn’t true for a start.

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I help people believe the truth of the Bible.
You help people believe that it isn't the truth.The difference is clear.Watch.I believe and teach that Jesus Christ the Son of God died a redemptive death and rose from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures.You're here to teach people that that is not true. Am I right ?You poor over the pages of the Bible hunting for reasons NOT to believe what it says about the incarnation, life, death, and resurrection of the Son of God.I mean basically what the serpent did to Eve you are here doing something like that "DID GOD REALLY SAY thus and such ??"Right?

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It isn't the Bible that you promote. It's a fanciful tale that's intertwined with the Bible but mostly made up

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I see.Could you then go through, let's say, the entire first chapter of the Gospel of John and highlight the part that I or someone is making up ? There are only 51 verses to John chapter one.Which part of it is the fanciful tale someone was making up?In your next post. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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The End is Coming Soon is quite a cliche.

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"See? See? The End didn't come Yet!" is also quite a cliche. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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Motives are no where near as important as the content. The snake in Gen 2&3 may well have had a motive of creating mischief but that does not change the fact that in the story the snake told the truth and the God lied. And no where in the story is there any information that would show us the snake's motive.

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Am I misrepresenting you to teach that the champion of the truth in the account is not God but the serpent ?So your hero in the account is the serpent. Why am I not surprised?Since you're here to "help" people understand the Bible what did it mean for Jesus to say Let the dead bury their own dead. (Luke 9:60) ?He implies that though some men's hearts are beating and lungs are breathing and souls are active, they are on some level DEAD ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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If you really cared about that you wouldn’t misrepresent the Bible to promote the teachings of your idols.

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So you're good at dropping sensational little bombs and expecting people to drag out of you what you mean like pulling teeth.You dropped your little sensational bomb. Care to explain where I promoted idols?I wrote on more than one occasion - "My God is the man Jesus Christ."Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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If it is, it is only because erroneous predictions of the end are so common. Which was my point.

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You mean like Jesus predicted that many false prophets would come saying "I am the Christ" and warning about wars and rumors of wars.I think He said quite a bit to warn the disciples of false starts and presumptions which will turn out to be unreliable.Nothing really all that new then for you to point it out. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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Not really. As I said it is the truth that concerns me.

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Do you owe your creation to God or random chance ?The truth is what you care about now.Do you need forgiveness from God ?
Do you need salvation from the guilt of your sins before God ?The truth concerns you now.

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I mean people claiming to be good Christians and saying that the Apocalypse was near. People like Hal Lindsey, to name one.

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Years ago I read most of The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey.Funny, I don't remember reading anything like " I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN ".If you have a copy of the book could you show me the quotation that furnishes you with this complaint ?Ie. "Hal Lindsey said not only the Second Coming was near but that HE was a GOOD Christian". Where did he write that?I don't recall that. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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We could certainly do that in an appropriate thread. Feel free to start one.

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I feel equally free to ask the question right here. Thanks anyway.Don't be such a flaming hypocrite. This thread is on the End Times. You've been hijacking it to be about the Beginning Times and whatever else you can complain about in the Bible. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You're overlooking the fact that the MOST insidious effective way of lying is to include in the lie some amount of what is true.The MIXTURE of some truth with some insidious slanderous untruth is what was done to man. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump." Sure Adam gained the knowledge of good and evil. What he did not get, because he is now united to Satan - is the power to carry out the good that he knows or the power to resist the evil that he now knows.In reach for autonomy rather than dependence on his Creator he became united with God's enemy. Now he must die.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Excuse me Mr. Potty Mouth. Strong language doesn't add any to the strength of your argument.And DIE I count as separation. Separation from God was a degrading process.
It culminated in him finally turning back into the dust from which he was taken. A LIE - SURELY they did.God did not deny that their eyes were opened. God did not lie in telling them that this would not happen.
In fact the very NAME of the tree tells them that gaining this knowledge would be the result of their eating. On the day they ate of it did they SURELY DIE or not?
Surely they did.So God did not LIE there either. But you, like the snake, are a slanderer.This is such an OLD, OLD argument on this Forum so often repeated that it is kind of depressing to see you dupes still cling desperately to it.The very NAME of the tree tells them what will be the result.
Actually the name of the tree should have been The TREE OF DEATH.It could be that in the contest between God and Satan, Satan came up with the name of the tree. - "Oh no. Don't call it the Tree of Death. Call it something attractive like The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil."Admittedly this is my speculation. However it is hardly speculative that what was going on there was a contest just like the oldest book of the Bible - Job.That is an implied challenge and controversy in which was a TRIANGLE situation.God on one side, the serpent on the other side, and man in the Middle with freedom of will to choose between the two poles - God or Satan.The Tree of Life representing God on one side.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil representing Satan on the other.
Adam in the middle, neutral and wit a free will to choose between the two
destinies presented before him.But some protest - Adam didn't DIE physically that day of 24 hours. That is suppose to prove that the serpent is some heroic figure that told the truth while God misrepresented the truth.By viewing the whole of Scripture though, we have to count DEATH as mainly a matter of SEPARATION.In being alienated from God man began to die. And he SURELY died on and from the day he first was alienated from God. "DEAD in trespasses and sins" is the indictment upon men since the fall of Adam. In separation from God Adam began the process of degradation from the center to the circumference of his being which would eventually lead to him turning back into dust.

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perverting what is actually written in the Genesis 2&3 story. There is nothing in the story about being separated from God or even in the following stories about Adam & Eve.

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Ignoramus. Why do you think God called out to Adam - "Where are you ?" ?The previous fellowship was lost and degrading more and more. Separation.Man needs to be BORN ANEW because his innermost being is separated from God. "Let the dead bury their own dead" shows that Christ regarded fallen men as both dead and dying.Sorry if you refuse to realize that the whole Bible is one unified revelation.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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You misunderstand the situation. From MY point of VIEW you're just another NUTTER spouting delusional drivel from a virtual pulpit. I know that nothing can affect your PATHOLOGY so I'm just making a tut-tut comment as I pass.

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I undersrtand the situation. You have NOTHING. You have nothing because you're empty and clueless about our origin or destiny.You're tangled up in an inescapable labyrinth of your own blindness.
Tangle, you're tangled up in hopelessness of your unbelief.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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I found the bible derivative and juvenile.

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Where would you cast then your vote for the most powerful personality that has ever lived if not Jesus of Nazareth?Who are you more impressed with?

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You're just making shit up again jaywill; none of that is in the story written in Genesis 2&3. Also absolutely none of that has anything to do with Christianity and the End Times.

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Actually it is related to the End Times.John said he saw the DEAD standing before God ready to be judged in Revelation 20. They're eternally to be separated from God. Their being dead is not non-existence but eternal separation.And in the end the sons of God (not the dupes and losers hoodwinked by the Old Serpent) are restored to God's image and God's dominion being expressed through them.I use to wonder how you could possibly write so many ignorant things in one day. Then it hit me. You get up early! Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.