Christianity and the End Times

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As far as fictional characters in books go, I think Frodo Baggins has the edge as he actually managed to do what he set out to do and did rid the earth of a great evil.

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How come Western civilization's concept of time is not divided between "Before Baggins" and "In the Year of Baggins," the way they divided world history into "Before Christ" and "In the Year of Our Lord" - BC and AD ?Try again with an arguably historical person of historicity. There are plenty of people to choose from. You don't have to resort to Marvel Comics or Mother Goose Fairy Tales.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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I know it's important for you to think that way, it would be devastating to understand that people can get on just fine without your ridiculous delusion, but that's the way it is. SORRY.

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Yes, you certainly have proved that you can have many happy hours of reading the Hobbit. That will at least keep your mind busy on fun while your waiting to die. Don't have to even think about life's meaning.Live for entertainment, why don't you?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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That hardly applies in this case. And I note that you do not produce an example.

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Provide an example?You are reading the example at Genesis 3:1-5 Truth - For God knows that ... your eyes will be opened knowing good and evil. Embedded Lie - You will not surely die. If you didn't notice all other maladies to the human race derived from believing this mixture of truth and falsehood.There's your example right in front of your face. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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That is not in the story at all. Indeed, Adam and Eve are able to make clothing of a sort, and their limitations in that respect are hardly due to being united to Satan.

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The clothing they made at first was inadaquate. Fig leaves. God slew an animal in order to properly cloth them.Its significant.That's pretty naive that you count making cloths proved they were A Okay from then on.
The next account is about how one brother murdered the other out of jealousy.Man knows good and evil and is even very proud of that knowledge.
Man cannot always carry out the good that he knows.
And he cannot always resist doing the hated evil that he also knows.Its a fact.
You yourself cannot live up to your own ideal.
Neither can I.All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Adam did not just disobey God. Something of an evil foreign element entered into him poisoning him - polluting him.That is the reason why the story of Cain and Abel immediately follows the story of Adam and Eve falling into sin and death.God warning Cain that SIN is crouching (probably near the door of his heart) seeking to control him in spite of his knowledge of good and evil. He ends up being mastered BY sin and committing the evil of murder.Before the fateful slaughter of Abel God says to Cain - We know who ended up ruling over who. Cain was defeated and wickedly murders his brother - under the sneakiness of inviting him for a "pleasant" time in the field. How evil. I still don't think you get the big picture of the Bible.
Are you an Atheist ?
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In reach for autonomy rather than dependence on his Creator he became united with God's enemy. Now he must die

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That isn’t in the story either.

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It isn't?This is the kind of folly that happens when an Atheist assumes to come along side a believer to ... "help" ... him understand the Bible.The covetous Reach for Autonomy - She obviously responded by yielding to the enticement of the serpent. Only God is the UNCREATED one in the story.
Only God is absolutely self existing and autonomous.This is the kind of misunderstandings I get as supposed "help" when Atheists self appoint themselves as some kind of Fundy Exterminator and nee jerk disagree with anything a believer says, on general principle.Adam and Eve's fall at temptation was to become autonomous and independent from God.All other created beings are dependent upon God.
Only God is uncreated and self existing - autonomous.Maybe you can help on such things like noticing the problem of how many horses Soloman had in his stalls. Stuff like that.The big picture of the revelation of the Bible?
You're not getting it. Maybe you don't want to get it. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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You think the bible stories are history? That's utterly bizarre

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Is it utterly bizzarre to count Jesus as a man of integrity whom one can trust ?I didn't initially believe all the history told in the Bible.
Eventually the integrity of Jesus rose to a level of being for me beyond reproach.I noticed that if some things in the Old Testament were good for Him then I could trust them.This was a gradual process. First the integrity of Jesus Christ gradually rose in my estimation to be beyond questioning.It still is today.Thanks anyway, I guess. Go on back to The Hobbit. Sleep there. I'll just step over you and keep moving forward discerning between entertaining fiction and reality.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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But now you find yourself able to believe in talking snakes, global floods, ADAM AND EVE, pillars of salt, loaves and fishes, heaven and hell, angels, devils etc ETC. And all this is historically true?

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It's interesting watching a DELUSION grow.

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And you believe that Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
And an ape gave birth to a human who all came from a rock by accident by a 100 trillion lucky mistakes.How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb ?None. They figure that if they wait long enough the light bulb will change itself. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

What do you have to contribute about ANY kind of end times or climax of world history?Contribute something about what you think world history is culminating in.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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None. They think that Jesus is the light, so they sit in the dark for thousands of years waiting for him to show up again.

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As he daily benefits from the societal influence of Christian ethics on Western civilization for the last two millenia.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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Well, that makes no sense at all. It was God who asked Adam where he was. Are you saying that God didn't know? If Adam was separated from God, then maybe he couldn't find God, but you're suggesting that God was diminished by "the Fall".

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Another dumb response.God knew where Adam was. He was giving Adam a chance for Adam to consider where he was - running and hiding from his Creator with Whom he previously had sweet fellowship.You never saw a parent ask a child something like "What are you DOING?"
OR "Where are you?" when the parent knows that the child knows it should be elsewhere from where it is ?I need some new people to talk to around here. After being away, I find the old crowd has gotten more rather than less ignorant.
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What do you think about the objections about believing in a talking snake Genesis.He's right that snakes don't usually speak. Duh.Interested is seeing how I would respond to that complaint ?
It probably would be wasted on the likes of Tangled-up.You know, after seeing videos of the tsunami sweeping through Japan and Indonesian washing clean away houses, cars, buildings, heavy equipment, ships, and everything else in its path ... etc like nothing across the landscape, I thought to myself -"Hard time believing in a Flood as Noah describes?? Witnessing this modern day tsunami sure makes such devastation plausible. "Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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The End Times theology is simply another example of the total disconnect from reality and evidence based decision making that is the primary defining characteristic of Fundamentalism whether Christian or Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist or Atheist. They are all the very same threat.

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Ah, Take all your problems to Mars, start over again and see if you have any better success.Look for another planet to do a Human Race 2.0.
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Its noted that you never answered the question.Who in history do you find more impressive then Jesus of Nazareth?Its noted that you sarcastically danced around it rather than directly supplying an example.

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You're the one who asked the question. I answered it: If God was separated from Adam, then God had to be the one doing the separating. God was the one with the power.

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Not totally. I know you're permissive to the Nth degree. But some of us realize that behind the Universe is a Perfect God Who cannot fellowship with sin unless the sinner is redeemed and justified.You imagine no God.
Or you imagine an imperfect God.I understand Perfection lies behind the creation of all things.
God God being a goodness above which is impossible, will not be one with iniquity, sin, transgression.The beauty of the rest of the Bible is that rather than give up on man God had a plan of eternal salvation, eternal redemption, and reconciliation.Some of view the ultimate Life as a permissive and sentimental Barney the Dinosaur type. Some of us who read the Bible with understanding realize the holiness and glory of a Perfect Ultimate Creator - absolutely perfect and ultimate in righteousness.That is one who did not impose Himself on His creature but gifted him with a free will to choose God out of want and love.Maybe you'll never get it. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.