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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're saying we shouldn't point out stupidity, aren't you? Oh golly gosh I'm SILENCING you poor Climate Hysterics?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You say that about all science. This is so ridiculous I can hardly believe an intelligent person would take it seriously for half a minute.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Actually you do. Biology and geology for a start - and by implication their foundations, chemistry and physics. When you deny one science, by necessity you deny them all.
Actually I don't, and I shouldn't have to say so but such a lie will stand if I don't.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's like saying you love all of the letters of the alphabet except the ones from a to z. All science can reveal things about the past.
No I love and appreciate all those sciences, just not the ones that pretend to know things about the past they obviously don't.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You deny biology, geology, chemistry, physics.... What are the "healthy true sciences"?
No it's like saying I love the healthy true sciences and hate the cancers that adhere to them.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
And you deny them. Biology points inexorably at evolution and geology points inexorably at an old earth. If they were wrong, as you claim, then chemistry and physics would also necessarily be wrong. You can't throw out the fundamental conclusions and still pretend to have any respect for the method.
Biology, Geology, Chemistry and Physics are the healthy true sciences.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Of course science doesn't "need" its conclusions but the conclusions are still inescapable. Evolution and an old earth are conclusions that can not be avoided without throwing away every other conclusion. Biology doesn't need evolution.Genetics doesn't need evolution. Geology doesn't need the Old Earth. Paleontology doesn't need evolution. Physics does't need evolution Chemistry doesn't need evolution Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Obviously false. If we "give up" the understanding of man-caused global warming, we can't stop man from causing it. That's like trying to stop a car without understanding what brakes are for.
Absolutely nothing of value would be lost if we completely gave up on evolution and the Old Earth and man-caused global warming. Faith writes:
What they do well is discovering things like evolution, the old age of the earth, the Big Bang, man-caused global warming, etc. If we did forget about those things like you wish we would, science would just discover them again. That's what science does.
The sciences woujld go on doing what they do well without all that, improving medicine, improving life in general wherever they are rightly used.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It's Trump who is pushing for more coal production.
... when it's the LEFT's politics that allow the real polluters to do their worst with impunity....
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Sure there is. That's what apologists do with the Bible.
There is no way to unify a contradiction.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I'd call that a false dichotomy.
...i feel i can discern who believes and who doubts. Phat writes:
You have a lot of audacity. You're the one who throws out the book.
And every doubter whom i have known...no matter how educated...always reduces scripture to another fallible book yet has the audacity.... Phat writes:
That's not a fact.
The fact is the world wont survive the next 100 years even if we all agreed to cooperate.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So the only distinction is body count. The "real Christians" were murderers too - they just weren't as good at it. And they put nineteen uputative witches to death in New England. But the RCC put to death some fifty million biblical Christians plus seventeen million Jews, Muslims, witches and others over six hundred years of inquisition.... Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You're honing your definition of persecution to a pretty fine edge. If you put enough qualifiers on it, it will disappear completely.
That has nothing to do with the topic of the specific persecution of heretics by an official religious body. Apples and oranges. Cultural conflict.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Do you lump all bank robbers into one basket? Because bank robbery is pretty much what defines a bank robber and apologetics is pretty much what defines an apologist.
I don't lump *all apologists* or *all believers* or even *all atheists* into one basket.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Be honest. You require evidence in every area except your God.
Well, I suppose that I could lump a bunch of you together and label you evidentialists*! Phat writes:
The Sheriff only enforces the public consensus and the public consensus is that evidence trumps belief. Belief is not outlawed but it is sometimes deprecated.
Were you the new Sheriff, you would outlaw belief of any kind not grounded in epistemology.
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