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Message 318 of 762 (863642)
09-28-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Faith
09-28-2019 12:37 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack: a view from the totalitarian Left
Faith writes:
Oh golly gosh I'm SILENCING you poor Climate Hysterics?
You're saying we shouldn't point out stupidity, aren't you?

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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ringo
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Message 324 of 762 (863654)
09-28-2019 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Faith
09-28-2019 1:49 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
This is so ridiculous I can hardly believe an intelligent person would take it seriously for half a minute.
You say that about all science.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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ringo
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Message 327 of 762 (863662)
09-28-2019 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by Faith
09-28-2019 2:22 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
Actually I don't, and I shouldn't have to say so but such a lie will stand if I don't.
Actually you do. Biology and geology for a start - and by implication their foundations, chemistry and physics. When you deny one science, by necessity you deny them all.

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ringo
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Message 329 of 762 (863664)
09-28-2019 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by Faith
09-28-2019 2:30 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
No I love and appreciate all those sciences, just not the ones that pretend to know things about the past they obviously don't.
That's like saying you love all of the letters of the alphabet except the ones from a to z. All science can reveal things about the past.

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ringo
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Message 333 of 762 (863669)
09-28-2019 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Faith
09-28-2019 2:38 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
No it's like saying I love the healthy true sciences and hate the cancers that adhere to them.
You deny biology, geology, chemistry, physics.... What are the "healthy true sciences"?

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ringo
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Message 335 of 762 (863672)
09-28-2019 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Faith
09-28-2019 2:47 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
Biology, Geology, Chemistry and Physics are the healthy true sciences.
And you deny them. Biology points inexorably at evolution and geology points inexorably at an old earth. If they were wrong, as you claim, then chemistry and physics would also necessarily be wrong. You can't throw out the fundamental conclusions and still pretend to have any respect for the method.

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ringo
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Message 337 of 762 (863674)
09-28-2019 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by Faith
09-28-2019 2:56 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
Biology doesn't need evolution.
Genetics doesn't need evolution.
Geology doesn't need the Old Earth.
Paleontology doesn't need evolution.
Physics does't need evolution
Chemistry doesn't need evolution
Of course science doesn't "need" its conclusions but the conclusions are still inescapable. Evolution and an old earth are conclusions that can not be avoided without throwing away every other conclusion.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 341 of 762 (863679)
09-28-2019 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Faith
09-28-2019 3:04 PM


Re: Climate Trolls Attack - The Reality
Faith writes:
Absolutely nothing of value would be lost if we completely gave up on evolution and the Old Earth and man-caused global warming.
Obviously false. If we "give up" the understanding of man-caused global warming, we can't stop man from causing it. That's like trying to stop a car without understanding what brakes are for.
Faith writes:
The sciences woujld go on doing what they do well without all that, improving medicine, improving life in general wherever they are rightly used.
What they do well is discovering things like evolution, the old age of the earth, the Big Bang, man-caused global warming, etc. If we did forget about those things like you wish we would, science would just discover them again. That's what science does.

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ringo
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Message 431 of 762 (863882)
10-02-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by Faith
10-02-2019 11:16 AM


Re: It's hard to ignore the political underpinnings of the emphases here
Faith writes:
... when it's the LEFT's politics that allow the real polluters to do their worst with impunity....
It's Trump who is pushing for more coal production.

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ringo
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Message 450 of 762 (863922)
10-03-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by Faith
10-02-2019 5:39 PM


Re: The Irony
Faith writes:
There is no way to unify a contradiction.
Sure there is. That's what apologists do with the Bible.

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ringo
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Message 454 of 762 (863927)
10-03-2019 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by Phat
10-03-2019 11:56 AM


Re: The Irony
Phat writes:
...i feel i can discern who believes and who doubts.
I'd call that a false dichotomy.
Phat writes:
And every doubter whom i have known...no matter how educated...always reduces scripture to another fallible book yet has the audacity....
You have a lot of audacity. You're the one who throws out the book.
Phat writes:
The fact is the world wont survive the next 100 years even if we all agreed to cooperate.
That's not a fact.

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ringo
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Message 591 of 762 (864369)
10-10-2019 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by Faith
10-10-2019 5:26 PM


Re: Why people like JAR should be ignored.
Faith writes:
And they put nineteen uputative witches to death in New England. But the RCC put to death some fifty million biblical Christians plus seventeen million Jews, Muslims, witches and others over six hundred years of inquisition....
So the only distinction is body count. The "real Christians" were murderers too - they just weren't as good at it.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 633 of 762 (864430)
10-11-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 625 by Faith
10-11-2019 9:18 AM


Re: There is nothing in Protestantism to compare to the RCC Inquisition
Faith writes:
That has nothing to do with the topic of the specific persecution of heretics by an official religious body. Apples and oranges. Cultural conflict.
You're honing your definition of persecution to a pretty fine edge. If you put enough qualifiers on it, it will disappear completely.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 639 of 762 (864472)
10-11-2019 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 638 by Phat
10-11-2019 4:56 PM


Re: There is nothing in Protestantism to compare to the RCC Inquisition
Phat writes:
I don't lump *all apologists* or *all believers* or even *all atheists* into one basket.
Do you lump all bank robbers into one basket? Because bank robbery is pretty much what defines a bank robber and apologetics is pretty much what defines an apologist.

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ringo
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Message 653 of 762 (864512)
10-12-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 646 by Phat
10-12-2019 4:34 AM


Re: There is nothing in Protestantism to compare to the RCC Inquisition
Phat writes:
Well, I suppose that I could lump a bunch of you together and label you evidentialists*!
Be honest. You require evidence in every area except your God.
Phat writes:
Were you the new Sheriff, you would outlaw belief of any kind not grounded in epistemology.
The Sheriff only enforces the public consensus and the public consensus is that evidence trumps belief. Belief is not outlawed but it is sometimes deprecated.

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