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PaulK
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Message 151 of 296 (839624)
09-11-2018 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Faith
09-11-2018 1:48 PM


And there you go again. I dont hate you. Its just that you continually push your evil in our faces. How can you expect us to ignore that ?
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Faith
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Message 152 of 296 (839625)
09-11-2018 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by PaulK
09-11-2018 1:53 PM


You lie. But I pray for you as I would pray for my enemies. You are the enemy who seethes with hatred toward me. Your every word is attempted murder.

Anyone who talks to a person on a forum the way you do should be severely punished, but you won't be will you?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Phat
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Message 153 of 296 (839626)
09-11-2018 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by PaulK
09-11-2018 1:23 PM


Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
Good can be a relative term and since Faith should lead to works I think it is clear that genuine Christians should be better than average.
The honest ones are a work in progress, but the fact that many are shallow or in denial does not get them booted out of the club. Only God can be our final judge no matter what we believe or do, so I'll leave it at that.

I can see where you, being an atheist, focus more on ourselves as being our judge and I have no problem with this philosophy and in fact adapt it to myself.

I think what Faith is saying is that she believes that her behavior and actions wont sentence her.

You are basically telling her not to minimize them nor ignore or dismiss them either. Right?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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PaulK
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Message 154 of 296 (839627)
09-11-2018 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
09-11-2018 2:00 PM


quote:

You lie.

No, unless you mean Im telling a truth you dont like. It does tend to seem that way.

quote:

You are the enemy who seethes with hatred toward me.


Because I dare to criticise you ?

quote:

Your every word is attempted murder.

Really ? How do you figure that,

quote:

Anyone who talks to a person on a forum the way you do should be severely punished, but you won't be will you?

You do worse with less cause and arent punished for it.


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Phat
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Message 155 of 296 (839628)
09-11-2018 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
09-11-2018 2:00 PM


Faith,to PaulK writes:

You are the enemy who seethes with hatred toward me. Your every word is attempted murder.
Anyone who talks to a person on a forum the way you do should be severely punished, but you won't be will you?

Perhaps it would be best to blame Pauls behavior on a spirit that haunts him rather than on PaulK himself. Is that not what "pray for our enemies" essentially means? Don't we believers want PaulK to also get freed up and also become a believer? Continually focusing on PaulK himself as an enemy is not our best strategy, perhaps.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 156 of 296 (839629)
09-11-2018 2:22 PM
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09-11-2018 2:14 PM


We Can Work It Out?
She claims that you wont be punished, but I am essentially stepping in as a mediator and saying that all of us should be punished...according to Faiths own belief. Jesus protects those of us who accept the pardon.

IF this is true, do you believe that it is fair for Jesus to only protect those who believe in Him or do you believe that we all should be judged by our works and behavior?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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PaulK
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Message 157 of 296 (839630)
09-11-2018 2:35 PM
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09-11-2018 2:12 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
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I can see where you, being an atheist, focus more on ourselves as being our judge and I have no problem with this philosophy and in fact adapt it to myself.

It is hardly as if Christians in general refrain from judging. Just look at what Faith is saying about me. And its hardly the only time shes made false accusations. Her treatment of Edge, for instance.

But it is a fact that Faith frequently makes false claims, without excuse. It is a fact that she loves lurid accusations made against those she hates - regardless of the evidence (thats why she likes Alex Jones, Ann Coulter and Chiniquy to name three obvious examples). It is a fact that she happily employs double standards when they are convenient to her.

I submit that even if humans are all morally grey, some are black enough to say that they fall short of where a Christian should be. Or the whole idea of a transforming grace, that - let us not forget - should be evident in works, is called into serious question.


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PaulK
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Message 158 of 296 (839631)
09-11-2018 2:38 PM
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09-11-2018 2:22 PM


Re: We Can Work It Out?
Faith isnt talking about Jesus punishing. Shes talking about Percy punishing. There is a difference.
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Message 159 of 296 (839632)
09-11-2018 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Faith
09-11-2018 1:15 PM


Faith writes:

This idea that it is "good people" who should be saved is the NONChristian idea that the whole world has that Christ came to CORRECT.

Since I'm not a Christian I most certainly have my own ideas about the Bible, including that Jesus wasn't a real person, that heaven is not a real place, that the rapture is never going to happen, and that goodness is far more deserving of reward than believing the "right" things.

There ARE no "good people." That is point number one. Nobody can live up to God's standards. And the idea that we can be saved by being good is what is called "works-righteousness," which is specifically condemned in the New Testament. This is what Martin Luther and the other Reformers rediscovered after it had been buried in the superstitions of the Roman Church for centuries. God saves us, and He saves sinners. Jesus said He came not to save the righteous but sinners. Repentant sinners of course, sinners who own their sin and repent of it.

Sure, you have things you believe, and you believe that it is only necessary to believe them to get into heaven, and further that the beliefs themselves are transformative making what most people would interpret as shameful behavior into good behavior.

It's unfortunately very common for people to say when asked if they expect to go to heaven that they think they are good people so they do expect to go to heaven, but this is exactly wrong. "For you have been saved by grace, not works, lest any man should boast."

I understand that you believe this.

But you have a false parody of being saved by faith anyway. Faith is not just empty belief, it is being changed, born again, to follow Christ.

From what can be observed here, the Christ you're following doesn't seem much interested in goodness, but more in xenophobia, homophobia, suffering, inequality and intolerance. Are you sure you have an accurate read on how Christ wants you to conduct your life?

I've been meaning to put in a plug for The Good Place. Season 3 starts September 27th on NBC. Seasons 1 and 2 are on Netflix. Plot summary of Season 1 Episode 1: a cruel and vindictive person is accidentally sent to heaven.

AbE: Stars Ted Danson and Kristen Bell.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : AbE.


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Tangle
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Message 160 of 296 (839633)
09-11-2018 4:29 PM


For those that care, there's a good literary review of the research for confirmation bias here

http://psy2.ucsd.edu/~mckenzie/nickersonConfirmationBias.pdf

p190 deals with confirmation bias in real life circumstances. The pyramid numerology stuff would be worth a look.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 161 of 296 (839634)
09-11-2018 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by PaulK
09-11-2018 2:14 PM


Because I dare to criticise you ?

Nobody has a right on a message board to criticize another person. That's against the rules. Argue the topic.


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Faith
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Message 162 of 296 (839635)
09-11-2018 6:20 PM
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09-11-2018 2:49 PM


From what can be observed here, the Christ you're following doesn't seem much interested in goodness, but more in xenophobia, homophobia, suffering, inequality and intolerance. Are you sure you have an accurate read on how Christ wants you to conduct your life?

Perfect litany of Political Correctness. You misrepresent everything I've said of course. Pretty clear though that the end times are upon us when people talk like this.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Faith
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Message 163 of 296 (839636)
09-11-2018 6:22 PM
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09-11-2018 2:18 PM


This is a message board, Phat, there are supposed to be rules about how we engage with one another. PaulK deserves a week's suspension.
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Faith
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Message 164 of 296 (839637)
09-11-2018 6:22 PM
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09-11-2018 4:29 PM


I'm not reading that. How about you do the experiment I suggested?
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Faith
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Message 165 of 296 (839638)
09-11-2018 6:27 PM
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09-11-2018 2:12 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
I think what Faith is saying is that she believes that her behavior and actions wont sentence her.

My "badness" consists almost entirely of running afoul of Political Correctness, which is not God's law but a human concoction designed to oppress and suppress Christianity in particular but everyone under the rule of the global government that is coming.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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