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Coragyps
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Message 61 of 77 (510460)
05-31-2009 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by LucyTheApe
05-31-2009 1:22 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
The only measure of time is the earths rotation and it's orbit around the sun.

Obvious nonsense, Lucy. Does the Moon not orbit the earth where you live? Does the Sun not orbit in the Milky Way? Do pulsars not pulse in the Lucyverse?

Don't be silly.


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LucyTheApe
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Message 62 of 77 (510462)
05-31-2009 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Coyote
05-31-2009 1:40 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
Coyote writes:

That would be false. It is also a ridiculous statement.

Google and find out what the Bureau of Standards uses to tell time and perhaps you'll learn something.

Too much stuff there Coyote, couldn't zero in on Time.
I didn't find it on a google search but I assume you use cesium as your clock. Bad move. Cesium relies on a constant speed of light. Which we now understand is a fallacy.


There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blɛz paskal


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LucyTheApe
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Message 63 of 77 (510463)
05-31-2009 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Coragyps
05-31-2009 1:42 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
Coragyps writes:

Obvious nonsense, Lucy. Does the Moon not orbit the earth where you live? Does the Sun not orbit in the Milky Way? Do pulsars not pulse in the Lucyverse?

Yes they do Coragyps, around us.


There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blɛz paskal


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Message 64 of 77 (510464)
05-31-2009 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by LucyTheApe
05-31-2009 2:11 PM


Take it to dating.
Which we now understand is a fallacy.

This sounds like a point you should take the dates and dating forum. That would be a good place for you to support this statement.


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cavediver
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Message 65 of 77 (510465)
05-31-2009 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by LucyTheApe
05-31-2009 2:11 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
Cesium relies on a constant speed of light. Which we now understand is a fallacy.

Really? Care to elucydate us, as us physicists are in the dark here :rolleyes: Please note that evidence that alpha may have been different in the past by some femtoscopic fraction of a percent does not imply that considering the speed of light as constant is fallacious.

ABE:

The only measure of time is the earths rotation and it's orbit around the sun.

:laugh: what a tool...

Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.


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LucyTheApe
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Message 66 of 77 (510466)
05-31-2009 2:39 PM
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05-31-2009 2:23 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
cavedweller writes:

Really? Care to elucydate us, as us physicists are in the dark here Please note that evidence that alpha may have been different in the past by some femtoscopic fraction of a percent does not imply that considering the speed of light as constant is fallacious.

Most physicists are in the dark; dark matter, dark mass etc.
Voodoo science. With regards to the speed of light, are u not up to date with the science?


There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blɛz paskal


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LucyTheApe
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Message 67 of 77 (510467)
05-31-2009 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by cavediver
05-31-2009 2:23 PM


Re: Scoff
LTA writes:

The only measure of time is the earths rotation and it's orbit around the sun.

cavedweller writes:


what a tool...


Scoff!


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Coragyps
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Message 68 of 77 (510468)
05-31-2009 3:00 PM
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05-31-2009 2:18 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
Yes they do Coragyps, around us.

ROFL. You're stuck in the 1400's? In a geocentric universe that's more geocentric than the Sumerians? And, in any case, the orbital period of the Moon is not tied to the length of a day or year. Does that mean it doesn't tell time?

If you are actually a tool, you seem to be on the order of a Acheulean handax.


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Percy
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Message 69 of 77 (510471)
05-31-2009 3:43 PM
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05-31-2009 2:43 PM


Re: Scoff
LucyTheApe, please, if you're not going to participate in discussion then you should not be posting to this thread. You especially should not be posting lots of short off-topic one-liner type messages, not here, not anywhere in the discussion forums. Capisce?

--Percy


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LucyTheApe
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Message 70 of 77 (510529)
06-01-2009 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by cavediver
05-31-2009 2:23 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
cavedweller regarding the speed of light and the earths rotation as a clock writes:

what a tool..

Why have we been adding seconds to our time ever since we've been using the atomic clock as a standard? It can't be because the earth is slowing down, the earth is subject the laws of nature, in particular, the conservation of angular momentum.

Maybe the clocks a dud!

quote:
The theory of evolution requires unfathomable lengths of time eons ... billions and billions of years.

Even with all that time, it's still hard to imagine how complex biochemicals such as hemoglobin or chlorophyll self assembled in the primordial goo. But to those of us who question the process, the answer is always the same. Time. More time than you can grasp timespans so vast that anything is possible, even chance combinations of random chemicals to form the stunning complexities of reproducing life.

Modern physics is now considering a theory that could throw into confusion virtually all of the accepted temporal paradigms of 20th-century science, including the age of the universe and the billions of years necessary for evolution. Further, it raises the distinct possibility that scientific validation exists for a (gasp) literal interpretation of the seminal passages of Genesis. Goodbye Scopes trial.





Source


There no doubt exist natural laws, but once this fine reason of ours was corrupted, it corrupted everything.

blɛz paskal


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LucyTheApe
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Message 71 of 77 (510530)
06-01-2009 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Percy
05-31-2009 3:43 PM


Re: Scoff
Roger that Percy.

I'll come back when I sober up.


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Son
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Message 72 of 77 (510534)
06-01-2009 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by LucyTheApe
06-01-2009 3:36 AM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
Off topic, you should start a new thread.

Edited by Son, : No reason given.


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cavediver
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Message 73 of 77 (510535)
06-01-2009 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by LucyTheApe
06-01-2009 3:36 AM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
Why have we been adding seconds to our time ever since we've been using the atomic clock as a standard?

:rolleyes: Because our clocks are based on the earth's rotation wrt the Sun (in order to preserve conventions of day and night) and this is not only not exactly equal to 24 hrs (as defined by the stable atomic clocks) but is also not constant. On the short timescale it varies back and forth owing to orbital dynamics, and over the long timescale, the rotational day is getting longer because the Earth's spin is slowing down as angular momentum is being transferred from the spin to the Earth-Lunar system via tidal dragging.

It can't be because the earth is slowing down, the earth is subject the laws of nature, in particular, the conservation of angular momentum.

Really? Oh, well perhaps you better ignore what I wrote above because it seems you know more about this than I do...

Maybe the clocks a dud!

Quite probably.

Modern physics is now considering a theory... it raises the distinct possibility that scientific validation exists for a (gasp) literal interpretation of the seminal passages of Genesis

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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Theodoric
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Message 74 of 77 (510544)
06-01-2009 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by LucyTheApe
06-01-2009 3:36 AM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
You are actually using WorldNutDaily as a source? Information is only as good as its source. Maybe you should look at what others post as evidence. It isn't an article on a right wing smear site.

It is also easy to follow sources back to original inof. Even articles on WND sometimes link to the sources.

Nothing peer reviewed. One is at a site that bills itself as

Bringing the world into focus through the lens of Scripture"
oh and from 1995

another is touted as
Science Frontiers
The Unusual & Unexplained

this article is from 1985

My fave is the use of Barry Setterfield as the source for info on NASA, Pioneer and Galileo. He is a YEC that has never let science stand in the way of his beliefs.

If you want to be taken seriously use some reputable source.

through the lens of Scripture


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Ichneumon
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Message 75 of 77 (510632)
06-01-2009 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by LucyTheApe
05-31-2009 2:39 PM


Re: Soft Tissue Surviving 65 Million Years?
"LucyTheApe" writes:

Most physicists are in the dark; dark matter, dark mass etc.


If that was meant as a joke, it wasn't particularly funny. If it was meant as some kind of slam against the field of physics, it was a particularly childish one that relied merely on puerile wordplay instead of substance.

Voodoo science.

This sentence no verb.

With regards to the speed of light, are u not up to date with the science?

Indeed I am, which is how I know that the constancy of the speed of light, both today and for billions of years in the past, has been established by multiple indepedently cross-confirming lines of evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, nor does there exist any serious evidence supporting a contrary position.

If you're unaware of this yourself, or if you have been led to believe otherwise, then it would seem that you're the one who is not currently up to date with the science.

The links in a post earlier in this very thread outline some of the methods and allude to the many studies which have examined the speed of light over time and found it to be constant, not variable: www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/Threads.cgi?action=tmi&f=12&t=552 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/Threads.cgi?action=tmi&f=12&t=552">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/Threads.cgi?action=tmi&f=12&t=552
Those links were specifically dealing with the constantly of nuclear decay rates, but also go into the topic of the constancy of other things, including the speed of light.


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