Hey Cobra Snake (kyle)

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Originally posted by SLPx:
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SLP, I was talking about the site in general, I wasn't really referring to his debate with you. However, Fred told me that you never informed him of your recent rebuttals, and that he plans to respond soon. I just think it's a little unfair of you to totally slam Fred for unethical conduct without giving him a head's up that you accused him of many things in your recent rebuttals. I think that Fred is at times a bit too harsh, but I have observed that you are not exactly the high prince of fair and reasonable discussion.

"I wasn't either, I was remarking on your laughable praise for Fred's site and apparently for Fred's tone"I don't really see what's so wrong with Fred's site, as long as you realize that its purpose for the most part is not to convey scientific information."Am I supposed to provide him with a singing Telegram or something? We had an email exchange in Feb. regarding the articles, and I informed him that I would be responding. Indeed, here is a verbatim message that I had sent to him:"Well, it appears to me that the message you sent was to inform Fred of an earlier rebuttal of yours. So, you did not send him a direct message, correct? All I'm saying is perhaps you should have sent him a message to allow him to respond to your claims if he wishes."As for 'accusing' him of many things, I actually provide simple documentation for the serious charges (hell - his laughable "as well = as well as" bit is right there in print!)"All I'm suggesting is that maybe you should have informed Williams of your response, because you made some pretty serious "documented" accusations against his competence and honesty. Sorry if I sound mean, it is really just a simple suggestion."Whatever you say, doc. I look forward to your handwave of that silly claim you made at the baptist board. You really are weak on genetics. Its amazing you got a PhD in a semi-related field."I agree that Fred should not say things like that. However, like I said before, you are not exactly the high prince of fair and reasonable discussion:"I have pointed out your incompetence again"
"Let the aspersion casting and obfuscation begin!"
"Your intellectual and scientific superior"If you are indeed Fred's "intellectual and scientific superior", then perhaps you should tone down the level of mean-spirited remarks. If you disagree with what Fred wrote about you in the above e-mail message, then why should you resort to such low blows? Regardless of the accuracy or intelligence of Fred's comments, you should be able to keep your cool if you are indeed his "intellectual and scientific superior"."Of course, Fred NEVER checked the BB to see my response; he never addressed my questions there; he never responded HERE to his questions for me that I answered!"Maybe he was busy?"After dealing with the likes of Fred and Karl Crawford and Walter "You misrepresent me" ReMine, should it really surprise anyone that folks get a bit testy?"As you stated before, if you are Fred's "intellectual and scientific superior" then you should not have to lower yourself to whatever you deem are Fred's standards. Don't you think that is a pretty reasonable suggestion? I try to be reasonable.

"That is certainly not how it appears to the interested layman."Fred even tells the visitors that his site is not, for the most part, about documenting serious scientific evidence."There is a little thing called context."Well, I didn't know about the context. Now that I do, your message doesn't seem so bad. However:"Of course, it is far more informative to read my relaity based response to Williams first laughabvle attempts at 'refutation"""I will be tearing down Williams pseudoscinetific gibberish in a day or two.""I suspect thart any actual reply will consist of aspersion casting, insults, and a continued insistence that Haldnae's dilemma is real and unsolved. Thats all he can do."I think it seems fairly obvious that you have been the creator of some mud-slinging and mean-spirited comments. Percy also seems to agree with my assesment here, so maybe you should argue with him instead."I think my CV speaks for itself. I'm no Nobel Laureate, but then, I don't claim or imply that I am (or should be)... Mean-spirited? How's this:"I think it is fairly obvious that both you and Fred are guilty of unneccesary slander. However, you WERE the one that brought it up:"Apparently, you don't see Williams for what he is, nor have you seen him in action on the internet, where he makes the most obnoxious, rude 'evo' look like Mr.Rogers."If you are going to accuse Williams of rude behavior, I would think that you would make sure your own behavior was in check. As it stands, both of you seem equally guilty and neither should be pointing fingers at the other- rather you should try to make peace as well as you can."I am not sure where this odd belief that individuals with legitimate academic credentials are supposed to be able to suppress their emotions came from."It seems to me that being "intellectual" would mean that you would generally try to avoid ad hominem attacks and other logical fallacies, especially before accusing your opponent of the same."Is that why you praised Fred's site for being "insulting"?"You're right- "insulting" was the wrong word. What I meant was "teasing" in a playful sort of way, but that sounds kinda gay, don't you think?