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anglagard
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Message 34 of 108 (472008)
06-19-2008 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Taz
06-19-2008 2:34 PM


Gay Guppy Culture
Taz in response to Hoot Mon writes:
No, you along with nem, buzsaw, randman, and a few others have been arguing your heads off that homosexuality is completely a choice. Don't get me wrong. I've not offered definitive proof that homosexuality has biological causes. All I've done is present some evidence that at least tell us the cause(s) for homosexuality is more than just choice.
I have personally witnessed homosexual behavior in dogs, cats, and most recently even a male guppy.
If homosexuality is completely culturally determined and has no biological element I wonder how the male guppy became gay in the first place. I did not see any 'overprotective behavior' on the part of the mother guppy, nor any particularly 'distant behavior' on the part of any male(s). Basically they saw their progeny as food until they got too big for their mouths.
I don't see how this particular male guppy would have been influenced by any 'gay culture' among the other fish. Granted that while male guppies may have a particular fondness for 'dancing' and 'showing off' to the point their behavior may be considered 'flaming' by some, such behavior was only aroused around females except in this one particular case. Nor did this particular male guppy have any role models among the others of its kind as they were, to all appearances, 'straight.'
So I am curious how those who proclaim "homosexuality is a choice" can explain exactly how this particular guppy 'chose' to be gay?

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 867 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 67 of 108 (472488)
06-22-2008 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 7:36 PM


Re: Variations
Hoot Mon writes:
The only thing I know of that causes my heterosexuality is the testosterone surging through my system.
While testesterone may be the only thing you have thought of, it is hardly the sole reason, if any reason at all, for sexual orientation.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 867 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 69 of 108 (472493)
06-22-2008 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Fosdick
06-22-2008 8:15 PM


Hoot Mon writes:
Are you saying that if my mother had put pink booties on my feet instead of blue ones I might have turned gay?
Let's review:
Message 66Hoot Mon writes:
quote:
The only thing I know of that causes my heterosexuality is the testosterone surging through my system.
Message 67 I write:
quote:
While testesterone may be the only thing you have thought of, it is hardly the sole reason, if any reason at all, for sexual orientation.
Now Hoot Mon writes:
quote:
Are you saying that if my mother had put pink booties on my feet instead of blue ones I might have turned gay?
The obvious answer is no. It is also a completely stupid statement unrelated to what I stated.
What I don't understand is how one could argue that testosterone is the sole cause of sexual orientation. Are you saying all gay males have less testosterone? Wouldn't that mean they have less of a sex drive? (and if gay males lack the testosterone to 'get it up' what is your problem? they are all functionally asexual) What about females that average 10% of male testosterone among their hormones? Does your blanket statement mean all females are gay?
Please think before posting.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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