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V-Bird
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Message 271 of 284 (480237)
09-01-2008 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Son Goku
09-01-2008 10:52 AM


Re: Congratulations.
Because it is rather like saying an aeroplane has the capacity to fly, it is correct, but does not adequately cover aeronautics does it!
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cavediver
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Message 272 of 284 (480243)
09-01-2008 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by V-Bird
09-01-2008 5:59 PM


Re: Congratulations.
...and therefore within the black hole you think that matter, all matter suddenly becomes stagnant?
What matter? I'm only considering bosonic fields. There is no motion. Is there no energy?
Protons no longer revolve a nucleus?
I'm sorry, is this English?
You cannot be wronger if you tried.
Ah, apparently English is taking a nap today...
show me motion without energy or vice versa
I have shown you the 'vice versa'. Sadly, you seem to be about ten years of study away from being able to understand my example.
[ABE]
Sorry, just had to comment on this:
There is no swirl within as the matter spears into the blackness?
I'm sorry, your technical black-hole jargon is way over my head
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Message 273 of 284 (480244)
09-01-2008 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by V-Bird
09-01-2008 5:59 PM


Re: Congratulations.
You do realize that cavediver and Son Goku are actual, real-world physicists, with degrees and everything, right? cavediver as I recall even used to teach the subject on a graduate level.
Your posts indicate you have a less-than-junior-high level f physics knowledge (protons, for example, do not "revolve a nucleus." They are the nucleus, and electrons revolve around them. 8th graders know that.). You're way, way out of your league. The reason cavediver is being so dismissive of your posts is because it's blatantly obvious that you lack the baseline education required to give a more qualified response - if the equations were actually presented, they would be meaningless jibberish to anyone without a college-level physics education.
With cavediver and Son Goku, it would be wise for you to ask questions and then shut up and listen, as you lack the comprehension of teh basics to even begin arguing.

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V-Bird
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Message 274 of 284 (480249)
09-01-2008 7:48 PM
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09-01-2008 7:04 PM


Re: Congratulations.
Bosonic fields have motion, continual motion!
What you, and most others it must be said, believe to be a quantum field is in fact a further manifestation of FTL gravitational exchange, Einstein was wedded to there being no violation of SoL in his SR theories, he was wrong, and dead-ended himself as a result.
ALL quantum fields are merely a bit of artifice to keep the train on the track.
It is the exchange of gravitation that means that paired instantaneous effects can be explained at no matter what distance separates them.
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Message 275 of 284 (480258)
09-01-2008 9:10 PM
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09-01-2008 7:48 PM


Re: Congratulations.
Hi V-Bird,
Please stop posting to this thread.
Please, no replies.

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Message 276 of 284 (483023)
09-19-2008 3:52 PM


That the galaxies are not really moving outward but the space is expanding equally from all point to explain redshift is being disputed by Robert Gentry given redshift also can be explained by the earth being in the center of the universe. Why if redshift supports earth in the center of the universe did they come up with every point is the center. Gentry explains why they did it was the evidence supported the creationists point of view so they fabricated a lie that every point is the center to explain the expansion.
P.S Not only has
GENTRY challeged the acadamy of sciences about the very age of the earth he has evidence that supports the earth is in the very center of the universe.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Pictures taken through the Hubble Telescope indicate that galaxies are receding from the earth, which suggests that the earth is near the center of the universe.
The big bang theory postulates that the universe has no center, and that space itself is expanding everywhere. But this idea is contradicted by the fact that galaxies exist.
If space is expanding everywhere, it should be expanding within galaxies too. Thus the space between stars within galaxies should be expanding even as the space between galaxies is expanding. But the fact that stars are still close together within galaxies is clear evidence that there is no such expansion of space taking place
Video Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates
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Message 277 of 284 (483034)
09-19-2008 4:29 PM
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09-19-2008 3:52 PM


Hi JohnFolton,
The earth as the center of the universe is not the topic of this thread. Please stop posting to this thread.

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Message 278 of 284 (483050)
09-19-2008 6:52 PM
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I thought the dobbler redshift has a whole lot to do in the scientific understanding of the fabric of spacetime and how it has been interpreted. Gentry explains basically the fabric of space is not the center as is being promoted by all those saying space is expanding yet the galaxies are not moving. If you watch the video Gentry notes even Hawkins understands the consequenses of the red dobbler on the interpretation of the expansion of space. Its like you all are saying the fabric of space is the center of the universe because the only other answer to explain the redshifts star light imprinted upon the fabric of space is that the fabric of space is not the center of the universe.
Your personal belief of infinite points of center describing the expansion between galaxies is the myth being promoted by hubble, hawkins and others like Sylas who used to post such nonsense on this board to explain the universal expansion of the fabric of space between galaxies. I thought I was on topic but since you don't believe the expansion of space (the Sylas nonsense myths)is part of the topic no reason to prove that the fabric of space is not the center of the universe in respect to the expansion.

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cavediver
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Message 279 of 284 (483057)
09-19-2008 7:10 PM
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09-19-2008 4:29 PM


He's got a point, Percy. As far as I am aware, Hawkins does indeed understand the consequences of the red dobbler.
[help, I think I'm dying...]

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Message 280 of 284 (483142)
09-20-2008 9:20 AM
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09-19-2008 6:52 PM


Last chance before a 1 week suspension - please stop posting to this thread.

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onifre
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Message 281 of 284 (483158)
09-20-2008 10:33 AM
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09-19-2008 7:10 PM


cavediver writes:
[help, I think I'm dying...]
Yes, but you're not seeing the profit ability of selling 'young Earth' videos and 'Earth at the center of the universe' videos to the ignorant masses. Clearly theres a market for these ridiculous videos. Using your cosmology background and my ability to fool dumb people(which isn't hard), Id say we can make some good money. What do you say?

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Message 282 of 284 (483159)
09-20-2008 10:43 AM
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09-20-2008 10:33 AM


Dumb
Onifre writes:
Yes, but you're not seeing the profit ability of selling 'young Earth' videos and 'Earth at the center of the universe' videos to the ignorant masses. Clearly theres a market for these ridiculous videos. Using your cosmology background and my ability to fool dumb people(which isn't hard), Id say we can make some good money. What do you say?
You just called religious people "dumb". Let the war begin now.

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Shield
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Message 283 of 284 (483161)
09-20-2008 11:26 AM
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09-20-2008 10:43 AM


Re: Dumb
No he didn't, he called people who buy into Hovind style videos dumb.
I cannot comment on the topic though, I'm no physicist.

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onifre
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Message 284 of 284 (483209)
09-20-2008 6:19 PM
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09-20-2008 10:43 AM


Re: Dumb
Abogot writes:
You just called religious people "dumb".
No, no, I called YEC ignorant. I said I have the ability to fool dumb people...of any ideological background.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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