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Author Topic:   The resilience of matter's fundamental components
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Message 16 of 46 (210047)
05-20-2005 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Tony650
05-20-2005 2:12 AM


Re: Bump?
Tony650
I don't recall the details so I may have this wrong, but the upshot of it (I think) was that an overall body can have mass even if its fundamental components have no mass of their own.
As the formula E=MC^2 is an equivalency formula the energy possesed by these components can be regarded as their "mass".

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Message 21 of 46 (210199)
05-21-2005 11:31 AM
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Re: What is energy?
Tony650
Why, for example, does a photon have no mass? Does it not have energy? What exactly do "massive" particles have that it doesn't?
This is the great mystery.We do not know what energy is.Unlike the colloquial terms used in phrases such as chemical energy wind energy,these are actually the fundemental forces and energy in this instance should properly be called work, since it is the work done by the fundemental forces as energy moves through potential states.
Energy in science is simply a quantity that is conserved in all interactions of the fundemental forces.A photon has no mass and as such cannot be at rest and as a consequence must always move at the speed of light.Massive particles,by virtue of their movement at less than the speed of light,possess rest mass,or energy that is localized with the framework of matter.
So massive particles have the property of moving at speeds short that of light while massless particles can only move at that speed.
I am not sure that answers your questions though.

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Message 25 of 46 (211323)
05-25-2005 9:43 PM
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05-25-2005 6:03 PM


Re: What is energy?
GDR
I am in a bit of a rush here so I will just drop a website to check out. http://explorepdx.com/feynman.html If you scroll down the page and follow the hyperlinks on energy there will be much to clarify things such as mass and energy.Bye for now.

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Message 46 of 46 (212992)
06-01-2005 8:16 AM
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05-26-2005 9:16 PM


Re: What is energy?
Tony650
If mass and energy are equivalent then is it possible for a particle to have one but not the other?
The photon is,by virtue of it being massless,moving with higher and higher wavelengths the greater it is "energized".It does this since it cannot exceed the speed of light,so it decreases wavlength to compensate for the energy being imparted to it.Thus low energy photons occupy,say,radio wavelengths.low frequency,long wavelengths,the product of the two{wavelength and frequency} always equaling the speed of light.As the photons gain energy they can shift frequency and move up through the electromagnetic spectrum into microvave and radar,infrared,visible light,through ultraviolet into x-rays and gamma rays{High energy,short wavelengths} which are the most energetic we encounter.
I'm still not sure what this means physically, though. I am very much a layman and not familiar with the underlying mathematical theory, so I really need some kind of physical model/approximation that I can visualize
This will not help you visualize since that is not really posssible but this website will explain the reason for that.
http://physlab.capcollege.bc.ca/.../Phys106_107/FeynEng.html
I'm not sure what you mean by "...energy that is localized with the framework of matter." Could you elaborate on this a little? You mention its rest mass so I am guessing that your statement refers strictly to only the energy that is inherent in matter
The mass we measure as a resistence of matter to being accelerated is the localized energy I refer to.Since we have established that energy and mass are the same thing the only way I could think of to "picture it" was this statement.
Sorry to take so long with the reply but I had to figure out a way to concisely answer without being on the computer for a long time.

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