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nwr
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Message 124 of 373 (740044)
10-31-2014 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Colbard
10-30-2014 8:03 PM


Re: Guessing about guesses
When I first studied evolution, I found out that the horse was older than the earth, courtesy Encyclopedia Britannica, which gave the age of both.
I remember a time when the earth was believed to be around 2 billion years old. I do not recall ever hearing that horses are older than that. Perhaps that was one of the stories that creationists were telling back then.
Another example, when I began school, the Australian Aborigines had been in here for 3,000 years, and were discussed in the flora and fauna section of geography. They were still just animals. Very similar to the US and its imported slaves.
I also do not remember a time when aborigines were believed to have only been there for 3,000 years.
And, yes, I grew up in Australia and was attending school there in the 1940s
It is true that Australians looked down on aborigines, but I don't think I would compare that to US and slavery. A better comparison with US slavery, would be the import of Kanakas (South Sea islanders) to work as slaves in the Queensland sugar plantations.

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Message 129 of 373 (740068)
10-31-2014 2:47 PM
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10-31-2014 10:02 AM


Re: Guessing about guesses
So somehow we ought to go by what is officially guessed about the universe, rather than what some individual or small group might have on it.
This is absurd.
You made assertions about the consensus of scientists, but your assertions appear to be wrong.
You are, of course, entitled to disagree with the scientific consensus. But you are not entitled to misrepresent it.
And we are not to assume that because the big numbers will change their minds in the future, that what we have today is not true.
You seem to think it a fault of science, that it is not a rigid evidence denying dogma.
It is usually considered one of the strong points of science, that when scientists develop better methods they can change what were previous tentative conclusions.

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Message 146 of 373 (740325)
11-03-2014 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by marc9000
11-03-2014 10:42 PM


But atheists dismiss spirituality.
Some do; some don't.
If science doesn't dismiss it, then it's only logical there would be some things, however few, that science would study, or would not study , that would be upsetting to atheists.
If that's "only logical", can you provide the logic. Because I don't think that follows, unless you only mean "some atheists."

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Message 152 of 373 (740429)
11-04-2014 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by marc9000
11-04-2014 8:26 PM


nwr writes:
If that's "only logical", can you provide the logic. Because I don't think that follows, unless you only mean "some atheists."
marc9000 writes:
To go further than I already have, I'd have to have you provide me with some examples of just how atheists get spiritual.
I guess I should take that as an admission that no, you cannot provide the logic.
You cannot demand that I fill supply what's missing, because it was your claim.
There have been a number of people who have said that they are spiritual but not religious. I'm not at all sure what that is supposed to mean.
I think, for some people, "spiritual" refers to the human spirit. So people who are not economic materialists, who value friendships and relations, might claim that they are spiritual.

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Message 251 of 373 (741214)
11-10-2014 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by zaius137
11-10-2014 12:05 PM


I challenge you to read and find out what Genesis 1 says.
(a) the sky is a domed ceiling above the earth;
(b) the sun, moon and stars are moving light fixtures in that domed ceiling;
(c) the luminosity of the ceiling (during the daytime) is independent of the light coming from the sun;
(d) there are waters above the ceiling;

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