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LucyTheApe

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Message 17 of 176 (477078)
07-30-2008 1:06 AM

Reply to: Message 16 by Rahvin
07-30-2008 12:54 AM

Rahvin writes:

How would you differentiate between a Created Unvierse and a non-Created Universe? What would be the properties that distinguish one from the other, and why?

One exists and one doesn't.

Look around.. if you see anything that resembles a universe then
the chances are it was created. The non-created one doesn't exist because it hasn't been created.

Edited by LucyTheApe, : No reason given.

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LucyTheApe

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Message 19 of 176 (477080)
07-30-2008 2:03 AM

Reply to: Message 18 by bluegenes
07-30-2008 1:44 AM

Sounds like a good argument for the non-existence of a non-created creator. Look around.....

~(~(Creator)) = Creator!

Thanks bluegenes finally you agree.

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Message 23 of 176 (477085)
07-30-2008 5:34 AM

Reply to: Message 20 by bluegenes
07-30-2008 2:20 AM

Re: Created creators

bluegenes writes:

As soon as you imply that the existence of something requires a creator, you automatically imply that the existent creator requires a creator,

No: Existence requires a Creator doesn't mean that a Creator requires
existence; it means that you can't have existence without a Creator.

You can't argue that a Creator exists, you can only try and argue that
he doesn't.

Existence is an axiom.

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