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Author Topic:   Will you oppose to scientific conclusions if they'll lead to theology?
Electron
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Message 5 of 112 (184856)
02-13-2005 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Andya Primanda
02-13-2005 9:33 AM


You say that science isn't designed to find god, I disagree. Science is designed to discover the objective truth about our universe. If god exists science could discover her. I personally like the example of how god might leave his signiature somewhere in the digits of PI. Such a discovery would convince me of a 'creator' - if the signiature were to be an unambiguous confirmation of some property known to us already (like the periodic table)

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Electron
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Message 7 of 112 (184875)
02-13-2005 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by crashfrog
02-13-2005 11:15 AM


"crashfrog" writes:
Unfortunately this isn't true, because science cannot refute solipcism. The best science can hope to accomplish is to develop accurate models about what we observe. That has nothing to do with any "objective truth" that may or may not exist.
Pardon me while I add Solipsism to the ever-expanding list of those things that are formally irrefutable but nonetheless worthy of ridicule. It is a sterile concept.
"crashfrog" writes:
What if she did not want to be discovered?
I only said science could discover god. Granted she might be able to cover her tracks.
"crashfrog" writes:
If that signature is of finite length, then it's already there. Just like all other numeric sequences of finite length - they all exist in pi. Or any other irrational number's decimal expansion.
I think I covered that: For it to be recognised as an intentional signiature it would have to be unambiguous. A coherent representation of familiar information could be made to stand out 'by a mile' by using a probabalistic approach.

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Electron
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Message 14 of 112 (184902)
02-13-2005 2:19 PM
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02-13-2005 1:56 PM


crashfrog - If we redefine the universe as being all that you, the only extant being, can have access to then how would this make any difference to what can be known? This is why I call solipsism sterile. Its position at the most extreme end of subjectivity does not place it in a good position to be taken seriously either.

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Electron
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Message 16 of 112 (184910)
02-13-2005 2:57 PM
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02-13-2005 2:28 PM


I am well aware of the use of solipsism as a device to drop arguments that embody assumptions about reality, but it can easily be escaped by using the right definitions: for example the term 'reality' must be defined in some manner, and properties of reality must not be assumed a priori.
On this basis your 'point' would seem to contain a number of assumptions as well. If you wish to maintain a monopoly on reality, I'll settle for 'accurate models that explain what I observe'

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