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pink sasquatch
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Message 298 of 305 (156563)
11-06-2004 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by RastaRedLocks
11-06-2004 12:15 AM


semantics?
Hey Rasta,
Welcome to the forum - a stylistic note: breaking your comments in to paragraphs makes them much easier to read and understand.
You wrote:
in no circumstances... is there one example in which one organism performs an action in which some way a benefit, even if not immedeatly obvious, is not gained. I think that it does offer a different perspective to view a facet of evolution that is taught in graduate level textbooks...that may in fact...be wrong.
I don't think that your perspective is really different from how scientists think about these concepts - it may just be a matter of semantics. Evolutionary scientist have long discussed the evolutionary basis of altruism along the lines you describe.
When a behavioral ecologist sees a baboon preferentially protect siblings/nieces/nephews, or fight along side of non-relative troop members, they may refer to it as "altrustic", simply as a means to characterize the immediate situation. However, this doesn't mean that the ecologist is ignorant of the fact that the baboon is also receiving indirect benefit from the situation.
In other words, the term "altruism" doesn't always mean "100% selfless".

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