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sidelined
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Message 1 of 13 (66601)
11-15-2003 2:24 AM


I have just read an interesting article in the "News and Comment" section of the Nov/Dec issue of the Skeptical Inquirer [Polling for Intelligent Design | Skeptical Inquirer] concerning a poll conducted by the New Mexico branch of the Intelligent Design Network Inc.
It claims the online survey was sent to approximately 16,000 employees of Sandia and Los Alamos National Labs as well as 500 science and enginneering faculty members at 3 universities in New Mexico.
The response from the head of Sandia [8,000 employees] indicates that no such survey took place at Sandia.
Without going into too much more detail which you can read for yourself at the website it seems that the people conducting the survey were decieving themselves as to the veracity of their claims and must have some kind of masochistic streak if they thought that lying would improve their position or that investigations into the claims would not surface.
I personally think it is mindless tripe of the worst kind regardless of my point of view on the matter of ID/Creationism since I cannot fathom what they hope to accomplish with fabrication of these matters. The apparent purpose is to influence the State Board of Education in order to have intelligent design taught in New Mexico.
What I fail to see is what did they hope to gain since they must have known that these matters would be investigated.
Any thoughts on the psychology behind this?

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Message 3 of 13 (66654)
11-15-2003 1:38 PM
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11-15-2003 11:34 AM


Re: some guesses
NosyNed
You know,I don't believe they are unintelligent of course but they do fulfill the qualities of the word ignorant.What I have difficulty understanding is what is so twisted in their psychology that they need to lie to themselves so inconsistently?

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Message 11 of 13 (66808)
11-16-2003 9:51 AM
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11-16-2003 9:34 AM


Re: some guesses
Iron Man
You post.
"Why would I be ignorant as a Creationist sidelined?"
I never said you were as I was talking about the people in the article who conducted the poll.The term ignorant has the root word ignore which is what these people do in abundance.It is one thing to have a viewpoint you would like to believe in,it is entirely different to misrepresent the truth of a research you conducted in order to try and put that viewpoint forth as valid.
Actually I have the impression that you are not one who would attempt something as silly as this.I may not agree with how you look at things but I do not believe you would say one thing and do another as these people have.In the same light I do not see any problem with these people having their viewpoin texcept when they allow in distortions that gain them nothing and harm their veracity greatly.
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