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Author Topic:   Have any Biblical literalists been to the American Southwest?
Rahvin
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Message 45 of 183 (241419)
09-08-2005 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
09-08-2005 2:34 PM


Re: World wide
I've been here a lot longer than you have, Nuggin, and obviously you haven't checked into previous threads on this subject. You simply share the establishment point of view so you don't have to face being challenged as a YEC does, and when you are challenged you don't have to bother to really think about it either, just ride along on the EvC wagon, just shout along with the crowd.
Time as a member is irrelevant to discussion.
It's inappropriate and irrelevant to insinuate that a debator hold a position simply becuase it's the most commonly agreed upon position at the site. Yes, we know it's hard to be a YEC here. It should be hard to be wrong. Playing martyr won't get you anywhere.
Evos have to think plenty hard to discuss the topics we discuss here, Faith. Some Creationists do, too (though others just like to cut n paste from Creationist websites). It takes a startling amound of research and investigation to simultaneously debate biblical accuracy, geology, abiogenesis, and evolution along with the host of other topics we all discuss here. Implying that Evolutionists are intellectually lazy simply becuase there are more evos than creationists here is insulting and dishonest. Those of us who are honest debators (and this often includes you despite your stubborn refusal to accept or provide evidence) must do a lot of legwork to debate here, regardless of which side we debate from.
No, I had read the creationists, and they opened my eyes. But my point was that I haven't used the Bible in my arguments and generally avoid doing that so your references to religion are out of order. It is the physical situation itself I'm talking about.
Faith, you are using the Bible. The only thing that suggested a Flood was that old book you believe is literally true. The sources that "opened your eyes" started from the Bible, too. Nobody has seriously examined the evidence and concluded that there was a global Flood without the idea being suggested by their own faith in the Bible. It is entirely appropriate to recognize that the Bible is, and always has been the beginning and end for a discussion with you, becuase to you the Bible trumps any evidence and all observation must be filtered through your Biblical worldview.
You have an awfully autocratic attitude for somebody who just showed up here last month.
Again, time spent here is irrelevant to the arguments. Nuggin's point is valid.
The establishment really ought to call you on such impertinence.
The Mods should call Nuggin out for stating the fact that you have only a layman's understanding of math or geology, and that you frequently demonstrate that you certainly don't understand the geology you have read about? Nuggin may be crossing the line into insulting just a bit, but it's true that you don't seem to understand geology at all beyond what you have read from Creationist sources, which are dubious at best.
When we have trained geologists here getting angry at you (to the point of making such a scalding post that she got suspended, but was still entirely true) for misrepresenting their field, your position on understanding geology is not very strong.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 129 of 183 (241822)
09-09-2005 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Faith
09-09-2005 4:15 AM


Re: science wa?
Since there was a flood, how did it happen, is there physical evidence for it, what is it and if it's the geological column, how are evolutionist geology's explanations for the geological column wrong?
The flaw in your logic, as others have pointed out, is that you are beginning at the end.
Your methodology would only be valid if the Flood had been an observation, and you were there to witness it. Since the only thing pointing to a Flood is the Bible, there is no observation made - just the account of an old book. Just because the Greeks wrote about a magic river that flowed into the underworld doesn't mean it exists - books are not observations.
How do you justify using such backwards logic? If science followed your methodology, we could simply decide on whatever we wanted, pulling "theories" out of our collective asses, and then look for evidence to support it, and assume that conflicting evidence is simply wrong. That doesn't work very well.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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