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Author Topic:   evolution vs. creationism: evolution wins
jar
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Message 85 of 310 (132758)
08-11-2004 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by JRTjr
08-11-2004 2:46 AM


Re: Let me see if I understand you correctly
Just a couple minor points.
First, a Dictionary is only a history book. It does not actually tell us what a word means, rather it tells us how most people used the word in the recent past. The meanings evolve and change over time and many words actually take on contraditory meanings. Take, for example, the word BAD.
Second, many of the things that you call facts are still being questioned and tested. Take as an example, "sticking your tongue on cold metal when it's below freezing". What you really mean is "So far whenever tested, here's what has happened". But still, generation after generation, it gets tested. Kids have to check for themselves to see if it's true.
Science is very much sticking your tongue on metal when it's freezing. Every single scientific theory is like that. And they all get tested continuously, generation after generation. And in almost every case, given sufficient testing, they eventually get overthrown, modified or expanded.

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jar
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Message 95 of 310 (140119)
09-05-2004 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by JRTjr
09-05-2004 1:32 AM


Re: First, please do not take what I am about to say personally
Do you literally believe that one day some kid, somewhere, is going to go outside in the freezing snow stick his tongue to a frozen metal pull, and not get it stuck?
Whether or not the tongue gets stuck is not the issue. The important things is that even the well known, well researched things need to be tested, and every generation of kids will test that very fact.
The topic here is "evolution vs. creationism: evolution wins" and that is pretty much settled. That things evolve was pretty much resolved long before Darwin published his theory. All the evidence out there seems to show Evolution as been as close to fact as gravity.
The Theory of Evolution, the explanation of HOW evolution happened though is still very much tenative. It is the best explanation we've found yet but it is still being modified and refined as more and more data is collected.
So Evolution is very close to something that could be called factual. On the otherhand, the Theory of Evolution is not fact, but still very tenative.

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jar
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Message 129 of 310 (178131)
01-18-2005 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by xevolutionist
01-18-2005 10:57 AM


Re: Some concerns about proof
You have yet to provide a single example of anyone teaching the TOE as fact. I would imagine that the name Theory of Evolution might be a clue that it is taught as theory, not fact.

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jar
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Message 161 of 310 (178278)
01-18-2005 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by xevolutionist
01-18-2005 11:13 AM


Re: Some concerns about proof
I didn't realize that I had to prove personal history.
You do when you make a major assertion such as "The TOE is taught as fact".
Ask any high school student you meet how it is being taught today.
Well, high school kids are still at the very beginning of their education. They are still in the learning how to learn stage. But as I said, you'd think the fact that it's called "the Theory of Evolution" would give even a high school kid a clue.
So the question remains, can you show where the TOE is being taught as fact?
If you find some that are even aware there is an alternate theory I'll be surprised.
Well, me too. So far I have never heard of any alternative theories either.
Anyway, I was responding to a slur on my intelligence, not a discussion of the facts
Well I hadn't seen any slurs on your intellegence. I think you have a very long way to go before you get a basic understanding of science or the TOE. But then that's fine. It's part of the learning curve.
I did see a comment that it's pretty hard to be an ex-evolutionist when it's pretty obvious that you don't understand evolution or the TOE. That's not a slur on your intellegence, just a statement based on what you've posted so far.
Which category is your post?
My post was simply a statement of fact. It's pretty hard to imagine how anyone can think that the Theory of Evolution is a fact when the very name begins with Theory.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 171 of 310 (178359)
01-18-2005 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by xevolutionist
01-18-2005 9:27 PM


Re: Some concerns about proof
The intent of my original post was to point out some differences that I observed between what is claimed to exist as evidence and what really does exist. What I suspected seems to be true, that there really are no transitional forms, just plaster of paris and imagination.
What does any of that have to do with the issue in Message 161?
You asserted that the TOE was being taught as fact. It's time to either support the assertion or retract it.

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Message 228 of 310 (179293)
01-21-2005 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by xevolutionist
01-21-2005 10:44 AM


Re: broken materials
You do realize that one of the species with that particular design flaw are humans?

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