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jar
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Message 10 of 50 (114447)
06-11-2004 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by almeyda
06-11-2004 2:48 AM


Almeyda writes:
- Facts dont speak for themselves.
Once agin you bring up this totally incorrect statement.
Facts do speak for themselves. That is the very nature of facts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 23 of 50 (115061)
06-14-2004 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by almeyda
06-14-2004 1:29 AM


almeyda
In Australia, wood found in Tertiary basalt was clearly buried in the lava flow that formed the basalt, as can be seen from the charring. The wood was dated by radiocarbon (14C) analysis at about 45,000yrs old. But the basalt was dated by the potassium-argon method at 45 millions yrs old.
Glad that you brought this silly example up because it is very important to understanding dating.
First, if they had gotten a date older than radiocarbon date any older than they did, it would have been thrown out as being unreliable anyway. Each of the 40 or so different radiometric methods have cover different ranges and with different accuracies. So if you tried to date a really old piece of wood, say a piece that is 200,000 years old, using radiocarbon dating, guess what, you'd get an age of about 40-50,000 years. Sorry, that is the limit of the method. It does not mean the wood is not 200,000 years old, only that the tester used the wrong tests.
Garbage in---Garbage out.
This particular test is also a good example because no details are ever given. It is repeated on all the Creationists sites, but on none of them do they give any of the necessary information. If such a thing ever happened, and there is no evidence that it did, it would be classified as a hoax at best, outright fraud being far more likely.
Fraud is a strong word and I want you to understand fully why it was the word chosen.
Since the {edited to fix spelling (delete an extraneous y)} specifics are never given, we can only assume what happened. Most likely, a sample was given to a lab with no information about its origin and the lab was told to perform radiocarbon testing. The results showed that it was at the limits for testing by that method so it is at least 45,000 years old.
That is all that is shown.
Sorry, your example shows nothing beyond an poorly attempted fruad.
Try again.
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jar
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Message 37 of 50 (115773)
06-16-2004 1:59 PM


To all trying to discuss with Almeyda
Pointing to things like the results from a suppernova will be ineffective. You need to remember that Almeyda, even though asked many, many times, has not said where he thinks the stars are located. He does not acknowledge that they are physically distant. Since he believes that all the seen universe is within 6000 light years from the Earth, pointing to evidence beyond that limit has no meaning.
Until he is convinced that there is something more than 6000 light years away from the Earth, there is little you can point to that he will believe.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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