So what about SILT and dating????

before going on to the other things he was wrong about.After reading the messages in this thread are you convinced that the silt issue has been adequately debunked?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Very, very glad you brought that up. IMHO it's one of the strongest arguments for there never having been a worldwide flood.First, even though that's used as an illustration, it's not at all how a flood works. As the water rushes off it carries everything and when it gets deposited what you find are jumbled masses of stuff, everything all jumbled up.What your experiment describes is far more what you'd find in an enclosed system such as a lake, not in the outflow of a flood.It's one of those simplistic arguments that sounds fine at first glance but when examined simply doesn't hold up.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay, let's try to step through your scenario. I hope that you'll work with me and that we can take this step by step.I see several things to resolve:

1. the initial flood event.
2. the period of maximum coverage.
3. the lowering water levels.

Can you agree with those steps?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay.Now I hope to keep this focused on the silt issue. Is that also your intent?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

sounds good.I think there are two issues we need to also cover, how we get the silt initially and where it will end up.Still together?This message has been edited by jar, 12-15-2004 11:16 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay.The first phase is the water rising. According to the account it's a fast and furious event, world wide. This would be the phase where the silt is created.The only way to make silt is through erosion. That will require water flow over some material that can be broken down and suspended to make silt.Still together?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, we're talking a lot of silt, when else could it be created?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, I do want to make sure we are both fully convinced for each step in the process before we go on. Let's see if we can deal with creating silt.To get silt we need to grind up rock until it's pretty fine. To do that you need running water and lots of it. It has to be running down hill and that seems to be the kind of thing we'll get during the great rain.If we are going to redeposite that silt we have to first make it and get it into suspension. The only time and place I see we can get that under the Flood scenario is in the initial phase.Before we go further, please correct that assumption if needed.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I want to stay away from the Fountains of the deep and all since that opens yet another area where there's no evidence and lots of very wild assumptions. Let's hold off on the things like that. If necessary we can start another thread later, but for now I hope we can stick to the mechanisms we do understand.Well, let's go over them. Have you ever seen silty rain? If we get the water up into the atmosphere it pretty much leaves most particles behind. Then it comes down as pretty pure water.To get silt though we need mountains. We need to have the water run down the hills, grinding boulder against boulder, making smaller and smaller boulders until we get sand and then silt.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well,if you really think there was some possibility of "Fountains of the Deep" then I think we need to stop and get that out of the way.When you get back, explain the "Fountains of the Deep"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion