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ringo
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Message 34 of 223 (371387)
12-21-2006 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Phat
12-20-2006 10:00 PM


Re: The ole switcheroo
Phat writes:
I think that it would be interesting to measure the number of people who have grown up in one religion and switched to another...without moving away from their original culture.
I was (almost literally) born in church. I spent the first fifteen years of my life going to church three times on Sunday and two more times during the week. After that, it tapered off drastically, but I think you could say that I had ample oppurtunity to be programmed.
The thing is, though, I don't think I ever really "believed". I could go through the motions. I could quote scripture before I could read it (and I can still remember a little of it ). But it never really rang true. I don't know if I was born a skeptic or if those experiences made me the skeptic that I am.
So, I didn't move "to" another religion, but I certainly moved "away" from the one I grew up in. And I'm still in the same culture - I live two blocks from the house I grew up in - unless you consider the ultra-religious sub-culture a culture.
If I had been born in Saudi Arabia, would I still be the same skeptic? It would certainly be harder to express that skepticism there, but would it change who I am?
Hope that helps confuse the issue.

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Message 72 of 223 (371627)
12-22-2006 11:59 AM
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12-22-2006 11:50 AM


anastasia writes:
... explain the true nature of the 'program' and if it is still at odds with the individuals conscience, to advise them to follow their conscience through a more suitable 'program'.
The trouble with many programs is that the documentation is poor. But some people blindly follow the documentation, even if it doesn't work.

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Message 204 of 223 (376035)
01-10-2007 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Rob
01-10-2007 7:39 PM


The last line from your link:
quote:
The reassuring thing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that He asked us to test claims and not just to blindly follow.
Jesus Christ, Scientist.
Faith takes a backseat.

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Message 206 of 223 (376045)
01-10-2007 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Rob
01-10-2007 8:59 PM


scottness writes:
Faith is believing because it makes sense. It is seeing... not blind.
On the contrary:
quote:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Faith is for what is not seen - when there isn't enough visible evidence to "make sense".
I think you're confusing faith with hope.
Well, they're both right there in the same verse.

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Message 208 of 223 (376052)
01-10-2007 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Rob
01-10-2007 9:58 PM


I don't see what your confusion is here.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Things hoped for are not seen. Therefore, faith is for what we don't see.
I was agreeing with Ravi Zacharias - that Jesus wants us to question.

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Message 210 of 223 (376058)
01-10-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Rob
01-10-2007 10:36 PM


scottness writes:
Jesus doesn't ask us to question logic....
And I didn't say that, did I? I said I agreed with your source.

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Message 212 of 223 (376061)
01-10-2007 10:50 PM
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01-10-2007 10:49 PM


scottness writes:
You greatly misunderstood my source.
Empty assertion.
Enlighten all of us, with careful attention to the topic.

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Message 217 of 223 (376070)
01-10-2007 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by jar
01-10-2007 10:52 PM


Re: How to program
I haven't read the Tao Te Ching in years.
I'll have to see if I have it filed under "T" for Tao or "L" for Lao.

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Message 218 of 223 (376072)
01-10-2007 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Rob
01-10-2007 10:58 PM


scottness writes:
Do you hear yourself?
What I don't hear is you giving us anything but a bare link.
Another exerpt:
quote:
The second test is empirical adequacy: Is there evidence that supports what is being asserted?
Zacharias acknowledges the need for empirical evidence.

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