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Woodsy
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Message 32 of 191 (367496)
12-02-2006 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hyroglyphx
12-02-2006 1:31 PM


Re: The soul undaunted
Afterall, I think we might agree that love isn't actually just firing synapses or the release of dopamine. Indeed, there is something that yearns to be more laudable than mere chemical reactions.
This is a presumptuous assumption on your part. You have no way of knowing what we all might agree on. What do you have against chemical reactions? Do you really detest the physical world as you seem to claim? If so, why?
If our personalities are an emergent property of our bodies, what is wrong with that? It seems quite sufficiently marvellous to me without invoking undetectable ghosts to inhabit those bodies.

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Woodsy
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Message 39 of 191 (367580)
12-03-2006 5:10 PM
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12-03-2006 11:22 AM


Re: The soul undaunted
Do you have children, sir or madam, only to view them as the random collocation of cells? If you believe that all we really are is a chemical soup, I'd ask for you to read my first post on the matter to understand how I have come to my beliefs.
This is disingenuous. People are neither random collections of cells nor chemical soup. As for your post, it is so wrapped in cant and verbosity that I can make nothing of it.

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Woodsy
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Message 47 of 191 (367631)
12-04-2006 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Hyroglyphx
12-03-2006 11:00 PM


Re: The soul, enslimed but undaunted
Am I reducing the worth of a human being or are they? See, we have one group that claims that humans are no different, than say, your banana slug. Each has equal value.
What do you mean by value here? How is the usual concept of value applicable to living organisms at all? How is this not the fallacy of confusion of categories?
If we have equal value, then what makes the slug, a slug? Aren't we all made of matter? Or is there something transcendental at work in the lives of either us, the slug, or both?
How is your idea of value related to the definition of a particular organism? What makes a particular organism a slug is that it fits our agreed description of a slug: if it did not, we would call it something else.
One can, of course, tell us from slugs by simple inspection. Why do you need vague terms like "transcendental"?
You seem to be ignoring how matter is organized to make various objects and organisms, in order to sneak in the supernatural.

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Woodsy
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Message 95 of 191 (369768)
12-14-2006 3:48 PM


A change of pace
For variety, how about this view?
The soul concept is an ancient error, like asking where the fire goes when the fuel runs out, and is still around because it is perpetuated by organized religion.
Can we find any evidence pro or con for this version?

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Woodsy
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Message 98 of 191 (369782)
12-14-2006 5:52 PM
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12-14-2006 5:22 PM


Re: A change of pace
Conciousness. Is it based on physics and physiology or is it a emergent property of matter and energy.
How are the two sides of your "or" different?
Is energy becoming sentient
What could this possibly mean? "Energy" has nothing to be sentient with, it is not a substance!
(Thanks for the nice poem.)
Edited by Woodsy, : No reason given.

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Woodsy
Member (Idle past 3404 days)
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From: Burlington, Canada
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Message 163 of 191 (375085)
01-07-2007 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by 2ice_baked_taters
01-07-2007 12:07 AM


Re: The soul undaunted
The most important thing is to acknowledge what we do not know and realise from tha point on is belief.
Would it be more honest, having acknowledged the not knowing, to dispense with the believing?

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