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Hyroglyphx
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Message 202 of 304 (484825)
10-01-2008 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Agobot
09-13-2008 5:33 PM


Nietzsche is dead
I can see us becoming more and more nihilistic, in a meaningless life, but how do we deal with our descendants? There are an awful lot of people out there that rely on their faith in God to keep on living.
As ironic as it may be, one of the greatest proponents of God was Nietzsche. If you really delve in to his works, he was a man tormented by his own inability to fully believe his own level nihilism. Nietzsche makes fundamental philosophical gaffes all throughout his works, and has this "all or nothing" approach to his views. Some of the most absurd things he believed in was that "love" was essentially a concoction of Christianity, and that Judeo-Christian ethics ran counter to his growing fascination with Darwinian theory. Though Darwin himself believed that evolution explained morality and love, Nietzsche rejected all forms of it, and embodied the spirit of ruthlessness within natural selection.
Nietzsche espoused a new brand of morality, which, in his words, were really no morals at all. He not only criticized compassionate values, but he went a step further and desired to become the very antithesis to all contemporary values held in equal regard to modern-day atheists and theists alike. He called it, "Umvertung vertung," which in English translates to, "the Transvaluation of values."
I find it then cruelly ironic that the very thing that Nietzsche denied was the very last thing that drove him mad. Right before he went in to an insane asylum, he witnessed a man whipping a horse. He ran over to the man to stop him. After doing so, Nietzsche came up to the horse, hugging it lovingly and began to weep -- possibly tormented by his own inability to devalue all value. Right then and there he collapsed and was never the same again. He became completely insular, and spoke rarely. When he did speak he would blurt out passages from the Bible. This is how Nietzsche would live out his final days on earth, in a catatonic state, presumably wrestling with his own inclinations about morality and God.
If we kill their faith, would they still have the desire to live and bear the hardships of life when they start opening their eyes and realise that we are completely alone in this meaningless, bleak, cold and irrelevant nonsense?
I assume that what you are saying here was meant to be meaningful -- that we are supposed to glean something profound from this declaration. If everything is ultimately meaningless, then so is your statement about meaningless. If it does have meaning, then your whole statement is undermined by its own premise. Either way, you can't be correct about both assertions simultaneously without being in contradiction.
Which position would you like to concede?
Nietzsche is dead - GOD

“Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"

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