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Author Topic:   Could evolution actually be a spiritual Issue?
bluegenes
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Message 10 of 19 (462318)
04-02-2008 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ATruthSeeker
04-02-2008 2:53 AM


ATruthSeeker writes:
There is a flaw of logic that is really hard to get around when it comes to believing in evolution. When it comes to our world, or to the universe, whether you believe in the Big Bang theory, a theory that things just always existed, or any other theory that excludes creation, you have to be able to reason that there is a design without a designer and a plan without a planner.
It is not a claim of evolutionary theory that there is a plan, so no-one is reasoning that there is a plan without a planner.
I can understand that it could be hard for some to fathom the idea of a God that always was; however, when you consider it, it is even harder to fathom the idea that this God who always was, never was. Am I making any sense?
No.
Seriously, it's no different to believe that a piece of art, like a painting, had no artist, or a convenient bridge over a river had no builder.
Paintings and bridges do not reproduce with random variations, and are not subject to natural selection, in case you'd never noticed. That is a massive difference.
I know I sound like a very simple person,...
You said it, not me.
...but a complex world existing without a Creator is too simple of an answer.
You seem to have no problem with the idea of complexity existing without a creator....unless your creator is non-complex, of course.
Is it not true, if one was to be honest with self, that trying to reason with evolution is really a person's awkward way of trying to understand how a God could allow so much evil in the world.
No. If one was to be honest with oneself, one would base one's views of the universe on the available evidence. I'd wait for evidence of this thing called God before I considered its relationship with evil. The reason that I think the theory of evolution is a strong theory is because of the evidence for it. You describe that evidence as flimsy on your website, and that's a symptom of either being dishonest with yourself, or of ignorance.
Is it possible that a person who tries to prove evolution is actually struggling with spiritual issues?
If you'd typed "disprove" instead of "prove" in that sentence, you might have made the only good point in your post.
If humans have non-material souls, I don't think anyone would argue that they are the product of mutation and natural selection. If having descended from other animals worries you, think of evolution as being about your body, not the soul that you presumably believe in.
Evolutionary theory isn't incompatible with certain forms of theism. It only clashes with creation mythologies that describe fictional universes (and there are many of these from many cultures), because science provides evidence based descriptions of the real universe, whether that reality was created by a God or not.

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