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Author Topic:   Salvation by faith and works : intellectually ridiculous?
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 63 of 172 (305291)
04-19-2006 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by iano
04-18-2006 8:21 PM


Re: Trixie and Jar: the perfect couple? Except that...
No 30mph sign? How would we know that going faster endangered people (the harming of which there is just punishment - even in this life)
oh right. clearly the 30mph sign is just to tell us that we are incapable of following it. and if you tell the police officer that you believe in him and that he died on the cross to save you, he won't give you a ticket.
no. laws are given to us to be followed. the bible gives us rules in order that we should follow them. we may have trouble. we may fail. but the point is in trying. the point is in crying out to abba when you fail and when you are weak. but that doesn't excuse you from following the rules.

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Message 65 of 172 (305295)
04-19-2006 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by iano
04-19-2006 5:13 AM


Re: Mock away Brian. But before you go...
Arguably the most barbaric ever (a prophecy: watch the dissent).
here you go, genius.
Flaying - Wikipedia
Flaying of humans is used as a method of torture or execution, depending on how much of the skin is removed. This article deals with flaying in the sense of torture and execution. This is often referred to as "flaying alive". There are also records of people flayed after death, generally as a means of debasing the corpse of a prominent enemy or criminal, sometimes related to religious beliefs (e.g. to deny an afterlife); sometimes the skin is used, again for deterrence, magical uses etc. (cf. scalping).
the practice of cutting off all the skin and sometimes flesh of a living person. i'd say that's a bit worse than crucifixion.
oh and there was another one i learned about once but i can't remember what it was called so i can't google it. it was used back in ancient mesopotamia if i recall. they'd lay you down and put a boat over your body with your head sticking out so they could feed you. but you'd be tied down and have to waste where you lay. eventually, the dark and moisture under the boat would rot your skin and the bugs and rodents coming to eat your waste would eat you as well. and they fed you until you died.

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Message 106 of 172 (305501)
04-20-2006 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by ringo
04-20-2006 12:27 PM


Re: "Our Father..." but since when did 'our' mean everybody
But his father didn't just feed him. He welcomed him back as the son he had always been.
That is what John was talking about.
"Becoming" the children of God doesn't mean that we have not always been the children of God. It doesn't mean that God has "denied" us or disinherited us. Our inheritance is there, it's a done deal - all we have to do is use it. All we have to do is return home.
We were all created the children of God. He has never denied us.
i quite agree. we are the ones who have broken our promises. we are the ones who have turned out backs. we are the ones who have committed adultery. but just like isaiah loved his prostitute wife and took her into his arms, so god loves us no matter what and will never say "no, that time was the last straw and i have this secret prenup."

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