Death?

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Originally posted by Nightfall60:
If everything that made up life came together so perfectly, what is the reason for death?

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Under the Creation model, the reason for death is clear: the sin of man. God made life perfect (as it should be), but as punishment to man's failure to obey death entered the world.

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However, I can see little reason as to why death should occur under an evolutionary model.

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Unfortunately,this makes no sense whatsoever. Death entered the world as soon as the first animal ate anything on day 3 or 4(not sure which). The stories of the Bible stems from the belief at the time it was writen that plants were not actually living things and so eating them did not cause a death,a fact which we now know to be wrong,since plants are living organisms and eating them does kill them. And this also assumes that carnivores also ate plants,which makes no sense whatsoever....Lions,wolves and the like cannot be sustained by plants like herbivores

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Originally posted by Nightfall60:
You make a good point, however eating fruit from trees does not kill the tree. It seems to me that carnivores' eating habits would change when Adam and Eve were banished.

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[This message has been edited by Nightfall60, 01-19-2002]

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Yes,eating the fruit does not kill the tree but it kills the fruit itself,which is also a living organism. Furthermore,herbivores who eat grass killed the grass they were eating. And carnivore cant simply change their eating habits...they are biologicaly incapable of being sustained by vegetation. A carnivore eating plants only will starve to death

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"Lions,wolves and the like cannot be sustained by plants like herbivores"
--Actually it is found the contrary in some cases, I found a great article on AiG about a Lion named Little Tyke that wouldn't eat meat and lived on vegitation, the Lion was a herbivor!
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n2_lion.asp

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--This can be used toward people that beleive that because things have sharp teath that they have to eat meat, and that before the Flood everything could have eaten vegetation.

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I believe that every rule has its exceptions or in this case,its UNIQUE exception although one would have to wonder why then would so many animals by endowed with sharp teeth which do not lend themselves well to the consumption of vegetation. Nevertheless,this does not counter my original point. Grass is a living organism and animals KILLS it when they eat it. And since both grass and animals were present on earth before man,according to the book of Genesis,then the Bible is contradicting itself on the subject...which,BTW is consistant with the belief of 1700 BC people that plants were not living organism but certainly not consistant with what we know today and with what God would have known then(always following the assumption that God inspired...readictated the Bible)

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
[B]"I believe that every rule has its exceptions or in this case,its UNIQUE exception although one would have to wonder why then would so many animals by endowed with sharp teeth which do not lend themselves well to the consumption of vegetation."
--Considering this possibility of a lion completely thought as a carnivor, through variation ('e'volution) turning time backwords, it would not be unique in the least. Sharp teath do lend well in the consumption of vegetation, though not highly effective, but then again almost all animals with sharp teeth also have an abundance of molars effective in the herbivor diet. And also, the fruit bat has I believe no molars and all very sharp teeth, yet it eats fruits.

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---Lions do have molars but most of their teeth are specificaly made for consumption of meat. Fruit bat's charp teeth are made for consuming fruits because it allows them to cut up shunks of fruits much larger than their heads but if the fruits they ate were as small as their own teeth,as would be the case for a lion eating grass,then they would be cruelly disadvantaged because they could not chew them properly in a short amount of time.

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"And since both grass and animals were present on earth before man,according to the book of Genesis,then the Bible is contradicting itself on the subject...which,BTW is consistant with the belief of 1700 BC people that plants were not living organism but certainly not consistant with what we know today and w