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ringo
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Message 64 of 101 (745796)
12-27-2014 12:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 61 by Phat
12-26-2014 4:46 AM

There was a war and I wasn't invited?
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Message 67 of 101 (745844)
12-28-2014 1:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 65 by Phat
12-27-2014 1:13 PM

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Jesus said that no man can serve two masters.
Well, no slave can serve two masters - unless the masters agree - but I know lots of people that have two jobs.
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Others may argue that we either serve God(collectively) or that enlightened folks are in a sort of humanistic communion---a body with no head.
"Body with no head" is a loaded metaphor, more suited for feudal times than democratic.
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Message 71 of 101 (746025)
12-31-2014 10:52 AM 		Reply to: Message 68 by Phat
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I think that in context, Jesus was talking of two masters that never agree. Its the metaphor of dark and light. Flesh and Spirit. Conscience versus Ego.
Yes, it's a metaphor. "Conscience versus Ego" should make it clear that it's an internal struggle.
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Message 72 of 101 (746026)
12-31-2014 10:54 AM 		Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
12-31-2014 8:26 AM

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I see the church(at large) as a body...with the head being Christ.
I see my union,local 7, and the international union has a body with no head. They elect figureheads who get paid a lot, but the decision making capacity resides with the members of the body and not the heads.
So Christ is a figurehead with no decision-making power?
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01-02-2015 10:59 AM 		Reply to: Message 73 by Phat
01-01-2015 7:44 AM

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The church did not exist first and then simply make up a figurehead. The character of Jesus Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit(the character of GOD along with Jesus) inspired a man named Paul(no ghostwriter need apply)to build the church.
I think you're shooting yourself in the foot. "The church" clearly was invented by Paul. The only question is whether there was any basis to his belief or whether he made it all up out of whole cloth.
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There hypothetically could be a bowling club that calls themselves a bowling club yet know nothing about bowling, I suppose.
Indeed there are many "Yacht Clubs" that have more to do with social activity than yachting.
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