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PecosGeorge
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Message 67 of 314 (125754)
07-19-2004 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by mike the wiz
05-25-2004 10:12 AM


Distorted
for the convenience of treating women like shit, are things found in scripture to augment that view.
God made Eve from Adam's rib. To be a helpmate, not a slave, from him, to him. He didn't take the rib from Adam's foot to be under his foot, he didn't take the rib from Adam's head, to be over his head. He took the rib from Adam's side, signifying exactly that self-same equality. Anyone who say other is a maroon.

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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PecosGeorge
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Message 82 of 314 (126808)
07-22-2004 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by jar
07-22-2004 12:02 PM


Re: Paul again.
The woman was tempted and yielded to the temptation, the man sinned deliberately, making it iniquity.
The man deliberately chose to do wrong.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 85 of 314 (126935)
07-23-2004 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by jar
07-22-2004 11:53 PM


Re: Can you read?
Mohammed had close connection with jews when he was alive. I guess he didn't like what they said about the fall.
Paraphrasing and plagiarizing was his norm.
Adam and Eve were not subject to death until after the fall. Your sura suggests otherwise.
The only lion that is aslan and Arie gur Yehuda, is wondering why you would espouse islam, teach it and believe it. I say it is your affair. Will he?

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PecosGeorge
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Message 88 of 314 (127081)
07-23-2004 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by jar
07-23-2004 1:29 PM


Re: Can you read?
why?
can you?
more importantly, do you read for understanding.

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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PecosGeorge
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Message 103 of 314 (127159)
07-23-2004 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Buzsaw
07-23-2004 7:44 PM


Re: Paul again.
Your speculation is interesting.

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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PecosGeorge
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Message 131 of 314 (127574)
07-25-2004 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by nator
07-24-2004 12:15 AM


Re: bump for buz
The woman did not have much to look forward to after the fall, and your quote from Gen:3:16 is generally termed 'the curse'.
What a man should consider is very simple. Make your bed as best as you can by treating your woman with lovingkindness, the way Paul advocated in Ephesians.
Ephesians - Chapter 5:25-33
It is a tender admonition and one of my favorites. Keeping it in mind will keep away much sorrow and heal much sorrow as well.
25. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26. to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
27. and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-
30. for we are members of his body.
31. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.
32. This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church.
33. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself...

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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PecosGeorge
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Message 132 of 314 (127576)
07-25-2004 10:42 PM
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07-25-2004 8:12 PM


Re: bump for buz
I think someone's in your house would be greatly surprised about this remark. Suffrage, eh?

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PecosGeorge
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Message 165 of 314 (129816)
08-02-2004 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by purpledawn
07-28-2004 6:06 PM


Re: Women and the Fundamentalist View of Marriage
Submit as in being dominated and subjugated and ruled, does not advance the cause of Christ, nor the husband. For a woman to be told that she is somehow of inferior quality than the man, does not exactly make her want to run into the arms of Christ, nor into the arms of her husband.
The rib taken from Adam was taken from his side, not his head (she's not superior), not his foot (she's not inferior), not his butt that he should poop on her, but his side. Side by side surely indicates equality and the fact that a woman's upper body strength is not equal to that of a man, is hardly worthy of consideration.
God made nothing in his creation inferior. Everything serves a purpose and is good for that reason.
Men who look on women as inferior deserve what's coming to them. In their arrogance they defeat themselves and mire themselves hopelessly in their vanity.

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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