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Phat
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Message 39 of 114 (100805)
04-19-2004 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Catalyst
03-01-2004 8:00 PM


Re: Rant
catalyst to Wiz writes:
nothing can exist that did not originate from Him!
Except free will. Free will is a thought that originates from a source besides God.
Why is it so hard for u to c that "evil" and "good" are human concepts?!... Do we not learn from "bad/evil/ occurances and even mistakes?
Yes.
Adam had already been given the knowledge of good and evil before he ate from the tree! When God told him not to eat from the tree, Adam would have know that to go against Gods word would be "Evil"!
Not necessarily. If I tell a kid to stay away from the street, the kid may not know that a car could hit him. He only knows that I have instructed him to avoid the street. God instructed humanity to avoid the entire dualistic realm of evil. Some belief paradigms say that God knows what we will choose before we choose it, since He is outside of time. He is in the future, thus, He knows what we will decide. Others say that God does not know what we will decide since our decision is from an origin apart from Him. (free will) This brings up an interesting concept. In Revelation, the Beast is described on a past/present/future continum as having once been, now is not, and yet is for those who are not in the book of life.
Rev 17:7-8-The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Perhaps the entire concept of evil as a possessive influence in an individual once was, (before we knew better) now is not (because we have a way out) and yet will come(if you are not on the guest list. In other words, the Host wants to know you!)

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Phat
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Message 109 of 114 (118972)
06-26-2004 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by crashfrog
04-20-2004 3:33 AM


Recap with a Phatboy twist
Born To Preach writes:
...seeing as there are lots of Christians running around the world right now I'd say the knowledge to believe is present in us with our current level of knowledge.
Crashfrog replies:
I don't see what the numbers have to do with it. Just because Christians think they're making an informed decision doesn't mean they are.
Born To Preach writes:
I'd say he's(God is) doing more than we are.
Whereupon Crashfrog retorts with
And I observe that when folks keep track, it turns out God does nothing at all.
I would ask Crashfrog how he can extrapolate what God is doing or not doing in other peoples lives? I realize that for you, Crashfrog, God may well be a non entity and thus inactive in your own life. I really cannot judge the validity or the power of your internal source...be it your own link to human wisdom or be it another source unknown to me.
I will say that God is my source when I get out of the way and let Him shine, and believe me I have proof that satisfies my own question....for were it me, I never could have achieved one tenth of the life and results that I see Him do through me and despite me!!
This message has been edited by Phatboy, 08-22-2004 03:25 AM

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Phat
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Message 113 of 114 (136062)
08-22-2004 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by crashfrog
06-27-2004 4:12 AM


God: The good and evil One?(Monotheistic dualism)
Crashfrog writes:
If God knows all and is all-powerful, there's no way he can stop being those things selectively.
Does an all powerful leader become unable to delagate power and yet still retain control?
Crashfrog writes:
After all how would we know the difference between a God breaking the rules and a rule we did't fully understand in the first place?
Good point. How do we differentiate between Gods
miraculous deeds and advances in human understanding? Is God as outdated as Ghosts and Goblins? I think not.
The supernatural realm will become more evident as science progresses.
You may scoff, but mark my words.

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