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arachnophilia
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Message 12 of 19 (285957)
02-12-2006 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by purpledawn
02-09-2006 3:49 PM


genealogies
Mark carries no genealogy. Luke does not mention the women, which is normal. The ”women mentioned in the Matthew genealogy are rather questionable. An unusual group ”to bring forward and Luke didn’t.
the women matthew mentions are tamar, rahab, ruth, and uriah's wife -- harlots and adulterers, basically. these women are specifically and conspicuously mentioned.
We also find that the genealogy doesn’t stack up to what is written in Kings and ”Chronicles. Four generations seem to be omitted.
matthew omites the cursed king jehoiakim, but curiously includes his son who should not be in the royal lineage. we had a whole thread on this, here is the important post where i lay out what exactly is wrong with the genealogy:
quote:
when josiah dies, jehoahaz takes the throne. but he's taken off to egypt, so jehoiakim his brother takes the throne. when he dies, jeconiah his son takes the trone -- but when he's carried off, the next son of josiah takes his place. so maybe there's your answer -- maybe the line of kings has to read:
  • josiah
  • zedekiah
    ...
  • jesus
and not
  • josiah
  • (jehoiakim)
  • jeconiah
    ...
  • jesus
curiously, matthew leaves out jehoahaz too -- why leave out the brother, but not go through the father's brother like the line of kings actually went through? the presence of jeconiah is incredibly conspicuous.
jaywill also brings up a curious point in reply: matthew counts david twice to get to his magic number. more subtlety.
Mark (5:9) has one demon possessed man named Legion and Matthew has two (8:28-34). ”Now Luke (8:30) who claimed to investigate for his writing agrees with Mark and not ”Matthew. So the author of Luke does not support Matthew’s rendition.
[edit] nevermind, found it. this wasn't very clear -- the demons are named "legion" not the man. mark as one man, matthew has two men.
This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 02-12-2006 10:41 AM


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arachnophilia
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Message 16 of 19 (286014)
02-12-2006 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by purpledawn
02-12-2006 11:34 AM


Re: genealogies
Considering that the author of Mark didn't have a birth story,
it should also be noted that infancy gospels are quite common. matthew might be adopting/mocking one of them -- whereas luke might have toned that bit down a little because there is little to no agreement in such infancy gospels. and i'm not totally sure they were around or at least popular when mark was written. either way, it would be a separate source .
Since Matthew's author pulled his information either from Mark or the same source as Mark, either the story of the demons was not real and the author had no problem changing the numbers or the author deliberately increased the number (as he did several times in his work) so that people understood his work was not a serious biography.
i'm not just trying to be obtuse here, but i really don't get this. i can understand why the double of donkey is funny, but i don't see the possession.


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