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Author Topic:   Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 61 of 259 (82885)
02-03-2004 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Revenge of Reason
01-30-2004 11:11 AM


Christ's family THOUGHT He was crazy. The scripture means what it says.
They thought He was crazy BECAUSE they didn't believe what they were told about Him.
Jesus in other passages says that a man's worst enemies will come from his own household.
You are asking WHY Jesus/God died on the cross ? Why don't you a least get a 101 theological education and come back.
Or go to my topic "Message of the Bible" and get started.
In fairness to you I really like the rhetorical question that also is the title of this topic.
Christians do make God look dumb - you are so correct. But even dumber are the idiots who believe God to be dumb because of the dumbness of christians.
Catholics say if a person is not water baptized by the Church they CANNOT enter heaven. This is why they baptize infants.
This is pure man made nonsense that makes God look like a dumbshit. Common sense demands that God would not forbid entry of an infant to heaven just because someone failed to pour water over their heads.
All infants who die go directly to the lap of Jesus - period.

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Message 62 of 259 (82890)
02-03-2004 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Yaro
01-30-2004 3:27 PM


The reason God required blood sacrifice as payment for sin and the ensuing forgiveness is because the integrity of His word required it.
God does not even exempt Himself or His Son from the requirements of His word.
Blood must be spilled or sins cannot be forgiven. This is heresy to the modern mind. But it means what it says and it says what it says because God judged sin to be serious enough that no arbitrary dismissal, no winking at it would suffice the objective knowledge of His mind, which said knowledge deemed sin to only be absolved via blood sacrifice.

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Message 63 of 259 (82891)
02-03-2004 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by burntdaisy622
01-30-2004 8:10 PM


Really good explanation. You have an enlightening way of conveying Biblical truth. Thank You.

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Message 67 of 259 (83173)
02-04-2004 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by The Revenge of Reason
02-04-2004 8:15 AM


IF the Bible is/contains the word of God then why did He include the events you referenced ?
You cannot have it both ways, the Bible being His word in order to point out seemingly evil things and then the Bible not being His word when it might place a claim on your life.
You need to specifically pick something that you think that God has done something evil.
Regarding Christ's family : It means what it says and says what it means. Anyone criticizing the text needs to see that the information given by the gospel writer is an author recording what happened from his perspective under the inspiration of God.
Mary didn't grasp the reality of exactly who her Son was. When He started His ministry they had completely forgotten that Jesus was here to go about His Father's business.
The text indicates honesty, if the author were lying then this discussion would never have happened.

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Message 82 of 259 (87621)
02-19-2004 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by The Revenge of Reason
02-12-2004 11:39 AM


Pertaining to the issues of percieved evil originating from God via scriptural verses is a subject that has been recently debated in my topic "Message of the Bible".
If you initiate topic drift then I will follow - it is your topic.
I really do not want to stray from the subject of your topic ROR. I will say though, that whatever God does, IF He is....is righteous.
If you want to drift in this area then you need to pick ONE incident that you feel God and His actions are indefensible. When you do this we can now debate.
Next issue :
ROR, you have made an obvious mistake. I believe once I point it out you will want to correct what you have said.
I agree, nobody over 10 years old could possibly forget that Mary allegedly gave birth as a virgin. How could they forget when the claim is written in a book that is the all-time best seller ?
I honestly do not believe you intended this point to be understood the way it reads. No problem, I will disregard until you correct it.
Mary didn't forget that she was a virgin who birthed a child, she just didn't believe that the child she had was literally and exactly what the angel told her.
When Jesus told her that He had to be about His Father's business, the implication is "did you forget ?"
Mary forgot or simply did not believe what manner of Son she had.
People forget that the doctrine of the Incarnation says that Jesus is BOTH man and God in all expressions at the same time. Jesus is not part man and part God, He was both man and God at all times.
Jesus wasn't this white robed freak floating three inches off the ground. He went to the bathroom behind bushes and needed to wash His feet.
Mary didn't understand her Son, all she cared about was her little boy just like any other Jewish mother.
Don't get down on Mary for how the gospels portray her - Jesus's own disciples didn't believe who He was until after the Resurrection. Even the established religious community of the time (the Pharisees) rejected the most spiritual Man of all time.
When the gospels record that Christ's family thought He was crazy, this is the authors being honest. Why would the gospel writers make this up if it wasn't true ?

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