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dpardo Inactive Member |
Coragyps writes: No conflict there at all, as long as you don't read what's written there, at least. The conflict is when the proponents of "contradicting accounts" try to reconcile that the author would contradict himself in the very next chapter.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Crashfrog!
Crashfrog writes: What's the deal, here? You just can't read clear statements in English or something? "I will" means he hasn't yet. As in, he hasn't made animals or any help meets until after he made Man. The help meet he is referring to is Eve. And, "yes", she is created after Adam.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Coragyps!
Coragyps writes: It's a collection of stories. Folktales. May I see your evidence for this assertion?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Crashfrog writes: At the time that God speaks those words ("It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him."), the helpmeets to which he refers are the animals he's about to create, not Eve. A "helper fit for him" is another human. BTW, help meet is singular, not plural like in your quote above.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Doctrbill writes: In the second scenario there is dry land, everywhere Where does it say this in Genesis 2?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Sorry Doctrbill, I'm going to put my kids to bed now but I'll look for your response in the morning!
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Crashfrog writes: Well, the text certainly gives no indication that God knows that to be the case until Adam finds out. As has already been pointed out to you, the animals were created before man (Genesis 1) so Adam was already in the company of animals. When God says: "it is not good that the man should be alone", he is obviously referring to the lack of a help meet (another human) for him. It doesn't take a genius to see that Genesis 2 is the continuation of Genesis 1 since it begins like this:
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Genesis 2:1-2.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Doctrbill writes: Beginning at Genesis 2:5 the earth is described as if it were a desert. Beginning at Genesis 2:1, the earth is described as being finished- as it was described in Genesis 1. By your own admission, this condition was:
"In the first scenario there is water, everywhere, and dry land is brought forth." Yeah. It's obviously the same story! Your arrogance doesn't serve you well Doctrbill.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Hi Prattie and welcome!
You wrote:
I don't mean to offend, but it seems to me everyone must have been committing incest. Yes, if two people have the job of populating a planet, there will be incest involved.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Crashfrog writes: But it does take a scholar, apparently, to know that the chapter breaks are not from the original text, and can therefore be essentially disregarded. Since you brought up the "original text", what exactly does it say in Genesis 2? Also, what is the evidence that you use to support your notion that the chapter breaks inserted by biblical scholars can be essentially disregarded?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Note to thread participants:
Since Crashfrog has implied here that he is, in fact, a biblical scholar, please allow him the opportunity to answer the questions himself. Thanks in advance.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
I thought you were going to impress me.
Oh well, at least you're consistent!
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dpardo Inactive Member |
AdminNosy writes: So I think it is dpardo's turn to explain why something not in the "original" can't be disregarded. In defending the chapter break of Genesis 2, I defer to the knowledge of the biblical scholars that worked to produce our current translations. Per the translators of my King James version of the bible:
There are infinite arguments of this right christian and religious affection in Your Majesty; but none is more forcible to declare it to others than the vehement and perpetuated desire of accomplishing and publishing of this work, which now with all humility we present unto Your Majesty. For when Your Highness had once out of deep judgment apprehended how convenient it was, that out of the Original Sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue; Your Majesty did never desist to urge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the work might be hastened, and that the business might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might justly require. That these scholars, who by their declaration, worked to produce a "more exact translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue", chose to include a chapter break at the point in question, which, by happenstance, is also in accord with other translations such as the NIV, NASB, and NLT, demonstrates that, indeed, the meaning of the original text is best understood with the chapter break in place.
But among all our joys, there was no one that more filled our hearts than the blessed continuance of the preaching of God's sacred Word among us, which is that inestimable treasure which excelleth all the riches of earth; because the fruit thereof extendeth itself, not only to the time spent in this transitory world, but directeth and disposeth men unto that eternal happiness which is above in heaven. Letter to King James VI, Holy Bible, King James Version.
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