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Author Topic:   Biblical Translation--Eden
gomisaburo
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Message 91 of 305 (459341)
03-06-2008 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by autumnman
03-05-2008 10:46 PM


Re: From N.T. to the O.T. command(s)-Eden
The tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (which is actually the tree of death) is in opposition to life (Gen. 2:9). So death came first, then there was the sting of death, which is sin (Rom. 5:12). So first there is death and then there is sin that introduces, or results in death. So if death is the result of sin, wouldn’t that make death "greater" than sin? The last enemy of God thrown into the lake of fire is death (Rev. 20:14).
I'd say there is a pretty good case for God hating death more than sin and even saying that death is actually the real, or true, enemy of God.

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gomisaburo
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Message 106 of 305 (459636)
03-09-2008 5:27 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by jaywill
03-09-2008 4:17 AM


Re: From N.T. to the O.T. command(s)-Eden
Jaywill,
This makes it even tougher to imagine that both fruits were on one tree...
Agreed. Amen.
cherubim and a flaming sword which turned in every direction to guard the way to the tree of life. " (Gen. 3:22a)
The cherubim signify God's glory and the flaming sword signifies God's holiness and righteousness, though others may disagree. Man was cut off from the tree of life because he could not meet the standards of God's glory, His holiness, and His righteousness. So Christ came and satisfied every requirement of God, which man could not do.
and showed me the holy city Jerusalem (Rev. 21:10)...The garden has become a city. The barrier facing every direction is changed into 12 gates - three in each of the four directions - universally accessibilty to the saved in eternity.
I do appreciate the contrast between Genesis and Revelation. And let us not forget the city, which is the Church. For it bears not just the image of God but the color of God, signifying we are God within AND without.
Remember how Lucifer, in the beginning, bore the glory of God on the outside only. Inwardly he was not constituted with God. So I think there is a great significant in the simple act of God placing man before the Tree of Life and commanding him to eat. Is there any other way God could practically accomplish his purpose?
I do think a proper understanding of Genesis requires a good look at Revelation. If Revelation is the conclusion, Genesis is the introduction.
I love the Bible.
As a side note, I think a great number of people make a conceptual error, thinking the great struggle in the universe is between good and evil when in truth the real struggle is between life and death.
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Edited by gomisaburo, : Dag nabit...spelling errors got me.

Those who come forward to God must believe that He is...(Heb 11:6)

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gomisaburo
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Message 108 of 305 (459642)
03-09-2008 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by autumnman
03-08-2008 2:39 PM


Re: born again
Autumnman wrote,
You must be born of God.
You might notice that the Heb. verb bara>: “to shape, to create,” is also used to denote “birth.” Gen. 1:1 can also be accurately translated; “In the beginning God gave birth to the heavens and the earth.” When understood in this light, the heavens and the earth and all the host of them were and are “born of God.” That makes perfect, logical sense because what else but the Spirit of Eternal Life could give birth to mortal life. The answer is, “Nothing.”
In Acts 13:33 the apostle Paul translated the Hebrew word “yalad” into the Greek word “gennao” to describe the way in which the Lord Jesus, as the first born from among the dead, was begotten of God (Psa. 2:7). The Lord Jesus used gennao in John 3:3 to describe how those who believed into Him were born again. So it appears yalad, and not bara', more accurately describes what happens when we are born again.
I don’t think anyone could really argue the point that all creation was “born” of God in the sense that you described. But I also don’t think a person could successfully argue that all creation was born of God in the same way regenerated believers are born of God, as described by both the Lord Jesus and the apostle Paul. The difference is quite significant.
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Those who come forward to God must believe that He is...(Heb 11:6)

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