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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
why millions of years,evolution supposes millions of years.
what about extinction,i think a lot of animals have been extinct in my lifetime.Anyone remember the black death? surely over millions of years when there were far less humans time would become the enemy,we would not have the time to evolve ? no evolutionist has explained this to me , nothing satisfactory anyway,maybe someone like Schrafinator could answer this one for me.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
What are you needing explained? Your post isn't very clear....
And every geological and paleontological shred of evidence there is points directly to many millions of years of history, so evolution isn't supposing anything - the time is there for it all to happen.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
but i dont think we would survive millions of years , that is my problem , and still i have no answer , dont fudge.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
but i dont think we would survive millions of years , that is my problem , and still i have no answer , dont fudge. We very nearly didn't survive, about 80,000 years ago the total number of humans was some 10,000 or so. (We infer this from genetic data.) That's about as close to extinction as you could get and have a reasonable chance of bouncing back. Most species haven't survived. The fossil record is largely one of extinction. We, like the rest of the animals today, are the decendants of those lucky enough to have the right adaptation at the right time. What's your point, exactly? That it's too unreasonable for us to have been lucky? Do you say the same thing when somebody wins the lottery? "The odds of them winning are so low they must have cheated."
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'm still not sure what your question is, but in any case, humans that look about like us have been dated back only as far as 160,000 years. The hominids of two million years ago weren't that much like us - they were short, with small brains and protruding faces, and we would probably say that they looked like chimps if we could see them. So we haven't survived for millions of years - other great apes somewhat similar to us survived for a time, and led to populations that died out, and other populations that didn't die out. And some of these latter finally gave rise to Homo sapiens sapiens. But none of those groups stayed totally unchanged over time and space, and neither have we.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'What's your point, exactly? That it's too unreasonable for us to have been lucky'
no i just think its far more likely we have been around for thousands of years and been given the requirements to survive.i think we came equipped in other words.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
how many hominids have been found?
and cant these just be different types of monkey? be patient with me lol.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
i just think its far more likely we have been around for thousands of years and been given the requirements to survive. Well, as Coragyps said, we only have been around for thousands of years - some 160,000 years, dating from our most distant ancestor for who we have fossil evidence, for instance. Or did you only mean 6,000 years? If so, how do you explain the vast weight of fossil and radiometric data to the contrary? See, the thing is, I agree with you, largely - we were equipped with what we needed to survive. But the fossil record is littered with hominids that didn't have what it took. We were the lucky ones. When people win the lottery, did they "have what it took?" Or weren't they just lucky? Does luck even exist in your worldview? If it doesn't - if everything that happens has to have purpose - there's no way we're going to explain this to your satisfaction.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
and cant these just be different types of monkey? Monkeys have tails. Hominids don't. So no, they're not monkeys. Of course, you may have meant apes. In that case, yes, these are different "types" of apes - just as humans are a different type of ape. Perhaps you'd like to familiarize yourself with the levels of biological classification before you speculate as to what order, genus, or species a particular specimen belongs.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'Or did you only mean 6,000 years? If so, how do you explain the vast weight of fossil and radiometric data to the contrary?'
i did mean 6000 years , i dont think we did get lucky i think we are here for a purpose . 'See, the thing is, I agree with you, largely - we were equipped with what we needed to survive.' isn't it then more logical that we were made with all the stuff we needed rather than evolving the stuff over huge periods?do you completely disregard that we could have been created with the stuff to survive.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
isn't it then more logical that we were made with all the stuff we needed rather than evolving the stuff over huge periods? Given that there's a significant body of evidence for the utility of evolutionary processes in giving rise to adaptations, and given that there's zero evidence for a creator god, I'd have to say no, it's not more logical.
do you completely disregard that we could have been created with the stuff to survive. We're born with it, is that what you mean? We are, of course. Well, not everybody is, and they usually die before leaving children. Sometimes the environment changes rapidly and nobody has what it takes anymore, and everybody in the population dies. That's called "extinction." It happens all the time, geologically speaking. Or do you mean, the human species was designed with everything it needed to survive by some creator? Seems a little unreasonable to me - why didn't this "god" do a better job, for one thing? And where is he now?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'Or do you mean, the human species was designed with everything it needed to survive by some creator? Seems a little unreasonable to me - why didn't this "god" do a better job, for one thing? And where is he now?'
degeneration, it was the humans that cocked it up. and when you ask where is God , how do you mean,what would satisfy you,if he appeared to you would that satisfy you,your a brilliant and unique design my friend i just wish God would prove himself to you somehow,but as Jesus said even if one rose from the dead they would not believe if they do not believe the words of God - not qouted but similar to this effect.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
degeneration, it was the humans that cocked it up. Oh? It's humans that are reponsible for the blood loss of female menstruation? Humans that are responsible for a backbone as stable and as suited to upright travel as a stack of quarters? Humans that are responsible for crania perched precariously on thin, breakable necks? Humans that are responsible for airways and esophaga that join in the mouth, allowing food/drink to enter the lungs? I'm not talking about degenerative diseases when I say "a better job", I'm talking about fundamental design flaws in the human body. These Edenite perfect people couldn't have looked anything like modern humans. How would the bible writers have even recognized them?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
i was just saying that degeneration is responsable for any poor conditions,i think life overall works well, i am not ignorant i know there are diseases and such,however the design of the human body to me is brilliant and is the work of the most brilliant mind ever !
you seem a little pissed at the creator, how about my question anyway,what would be proof of God to you?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
however the design of the human body to me is brilliant and is the work of the most brilliant mind ever Eh, I could do better. It's a product of "unintellident design".
you seem a little pissed at the creator, how about my question anyway,what would be proof of God to you? How could I be angry at that which does not exist? Proof of god would be evidence of god's actions that couldn't be explained away as wishful thinking, random chance, or simply lying on the part of so-called prophets. A message encoded in DNA would be proof of a creator. As for Jesus's saying, I've never seen anyone rise from the dead. So his criticism is a little harsh. I've never, ever seen anything miraculous. Why should I believe? Because somebody wrote a book that says so? I can write a book that says anything I like.
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