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Willowtree's Scientific Evidence against Evolution

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crashfrog

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Message 13 of 299 (73959)
12-17-2003 11:44 PM

Reply to: Message 11 by John Paul
12-17-2003 11:29 PM

Perhaps chimps & humans are also the result of convergent evolution?

Why would we converge on the same broken Vitamin-C pseudogene?

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Message 56 of 299 (74415)
12-20-2003 5:56 AM

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12-20-2003 3:46 AM

My understanding of convergent evolution is in the lifetime of the species which is subject to "convergent-e" the species changes according to adaptation, which means, the fetus cannot look like it appears after adaptation.

Huh? You're saying that convergent evolution is when the environment causes heritable change in an individual organism?

That's Lamarkian evolution, and that hasn't been supported since, well, Darwin.

Convergent evolution is when two unrelated species look similar because they adapted to similar environments. That's usually characterized by great morphological similarity but very dissimilar genetics.

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Message 198 of 299 (82031)
02-01-2004 7:27 PM

Reply to: Message 197 by Cold Foreign Object
02-01-2004 7:26 PM

Every atheist paleontolgist offers their evidence as evidence that God is not the Creator

Could you show me where in the scientific literature it says "There is no God"? Search PubMed and see if you can find a peer-reviewed article on the existence of God.

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Message 202 of 299 (82040)
02-01-2004 8:09 PM

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02-01-2004 7:44 PM

What don't you understand ?

The Bible isn't evidence, because the Bible wasn't written by God. So the fact that evolution refutes the Bible is hardly evidence that evolution means no God.

What don't you understand?

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Message 219 of 299 (82822)
02-03-2004 7:44 PM

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02-03-2004 7:40 PM

They found many of the places the Bible talked about.

Uh, well, you can go to "fair Verona", the setting for Romeo and Juliet (I've been there), but that doesn't make it a true story.

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Message 254 of 299 (84661)
02-09-2004 9:01 AM

Reply to: Message 253 by Mammuthus
02-09-2004 8:43 AM

In fact, the head of the Human Genome Project (the publicly funded one not the Celera private venture), is an openly devout christian.

Are you sure about that? I thought it was the other way around - that it was J. Craig Venter, the Celera guy, who was the Christian.

The guy who was (one of?) the head(s) of the Human Genome Project, John Sulston, seems to be pretty agnostic:

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Sulston was merely an adequate student who got interested in science in adolescence, and found its explanations better than his father's religion could offer: "As a strategy for living, religion didn't make much sense to me."

(from a review of a book of his: NonfictionReviews.com is for sale | HugeDomains)

I dunno, though. Maybe I've got it wrong. It's a quibble, and it doesn't change your point - a scientist is about as likely to be devoutly religious as they are arrogantly atheist.

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