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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 126 (53365)
09-01-2003 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Wise
09-01-2003 10:13 PM


Evolutionists think EVERYTHING evolved.
Um, nope. Straw-man. Evolutionists only think life evolved, because evolution is a theory about living things.
So, where did light come from? It appears to be inherent in the structure of the universe. It is one of the four fundamental forces, after all.

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Message 25 of 126 (53369)
09-01-2003 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Wise
09-01-2003 9:44 PM


Light is foundational to any living thing.
Except for those things that don't need light. Chemosynthetic bacteria, for instance.
It was Gods first creation and was spoken immediately into existance UNLESS, of course, you are an evolutionist, in which, it MUST have evolved. Right?
Wrong.
Life evolved in the presence of light, that is to say, the sun. Since the sun is ready energy, and life needs energy, life evolved to take advantage of the sun. When life arises in areas where there is no light, it takes advantage of other sources of energy. For instance the heat of deep-sea vents.
What about this is hard to understand? Light isn't magic, and neither is life.
That is my challenge, and I ALWAYS WIN my challenges.
Maybe because you ask stupid questions that no serious person would waste time trying to answer? That's not winning.

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crashfrog
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Message 33 of 126 (53377)
09-01-2003 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Wise
09-01-2003 10:39 PM


AND living things REQUIRE light.
Yeah, yeah, we heard you the first time. You were just as wrong. There's plenty of life that does just fine without the presence of light. Of course, it's in places where there's no light.
And are you aware that UV light affects mutagens in DNA replication?
Yeah, I was aware of that. So? High-energy photons are mutagens. So what?
Now , something SO critical certainly came from somewhere...did it not? And it preceded evolution. Now please describe the basics first. How did "light" evolve?
It didn't. Only living things evolve. Light is fundamental to the universe. Where did the universe come from? Hell if I know.
Spectrum by spectrum...please.
Why? It's all the same - it's all just light.

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 126 (53382)
09-01-2003 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Wise
09-01-2003 10:44 PM


I am talking about "light". You know...the many spectrums and colors and UVs.
You know, the "colors" are just arbitrary designations to certain wavelengths of light. I don't see what that has to do with anything. But the way you talk about light suggests you don't know the first thing about it.
Now please explain it...spectrum by spectrum and its evolvement.
Uh, the word would be its "evolution". Not "evolvement", which is not a word.
But I did explain it. Light didn't evolve because only living things evolve. You're using the wrong verb, here.
Light is a fundamental force of the universe. The universe has fundamental qualities, like matter and gravity. The electromagnetic spectrum is simply one of those.

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crashfrog
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Message 38 of 126 (53383)
09-01-2003 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by hoju
09-01-2003 10:46 PM


because plants need light. all living things need to eat. if there was no light what would you eat?
Whatever chemosynthetic bacteria eat. After all they're the bottom of the food chain around deep-sea vents.

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crashfrog
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Message 43 of 126 (53388)
09-01-2003 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Wise
09-01-2003 10:51 PM


My dear friend, you have to CRAWL before you can WALK.
Actually, it's funny you should put it that way - I'm living proof that you can walk before you can crawl. Seriously, ask my parents! I never crawled as a child. I just got up and walked, one day.
It's weird, I know, but it's true. You don't have to crawl before you can walk.

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 126 (53392)
09-01-2003 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Wise
09-01-2003 10:56 PM


It requires it light somehow, someway.
Oh, I'm just supposed to take your word for that? I say it doesn't. Now, the way this works is, you try to prove me wrong with evidence. Not just repetition. You're approaching a major violation of the forum guidelines - number 2, especially - because you just keep repeating yourself without either addressing our rebuttals or providing new evidence.
But still you have not explained..
No, I did explain. You've just ignored me. Is this how you debate? Ignore your opponent and go on like a broken record? Frankly I'm not impressed.

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crashfrog
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Message 51 of 126 (53397)
09-01-2003 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Wise
09-01-2003 11:04 PM


In the face of Piltdown, Nebraskan and Miss Lucy
Do you know something anthropology doesn't? Piltdown man and Nebraska man are hoaxes, sure - and discovered as such by evolutionists, I might add - but Lucy is the genuine article. Of course you don't seem to know what light is, so maybe you didn't know that.
Did it just happen?
No, it's fundamental to the universe. What part of that is hard for you to understand?

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crashfrog
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Message 55 of 126 (53403)
09-01-2003 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Wise
09-01-2003 11:12 PM


So then light "just happened"...kind of like the Genesis account?
No, it's fundamental to the universe. So when the universe happened, light happened.

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crashfrog
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Message 60 of 126 (53412)
09-01-2003 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Wise
09-01-2003 11:20 PM


In all due respect, I am apparently at the wrong forum then.
Yes, clearly you thought you were at a forum where we tolerate empty repetition of pointless questions. Luckily, you were wrong.
We answered your question over and over again. How come you ignored us? Is that how you witness for your god?
it will NEVER change species
Then I guess you're not interested in our ample evidence for new species? No, I thought not.
Well, good riddance. I don't much care to talk with a broken record.

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crashfrog
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Message 64 of 126 (53417)
09-01-2003 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Trump won
09-01-2003 11:36 PM


Is that evolution's explanation?
No, that would be cosmology's explanation. You seem to have a problem telling the difference, though...
But it's true. There's four fundamental forces in the universe - the electromagnetic force, gravity, and two nuclear forces.

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crashfrog
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Message 67 of 126 (53423)
09-02-2003 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Trump won
09-02-2003 12:01 AM


Well, here's a simple rubrik:
Evolution = life
Cosmology = space

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crashfrog
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Message 68 of 126 (53425)
09-02-2003 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Trump won
09-02-2003 12:03 AM


What, the fact that the universe may have a beginning? While that may be evidence of some god, or not - it's certainly not evidence for the Christian god above any other.

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crashfrog
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Message 73 of 126 (53435)
09-02-2003 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Trump won
09-02-2003 12:32 AM


I wonder why.
Now there's a question that is the start of wisdom.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days)
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Message 75 of 126 (53439)
09-02-2003 12:42 AM
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09-02-2003 12:38 AM


You know why what? If you were being sarcastic, I don't understand what you were being sarcastic about.

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