Quitting smoking?

When I first heard of the law, it sounded outrageous to me because its their own domicile. But after thinking about why they did it, I realized that it would expect non-smokers to keep their windows shut all the time. In Southern California, that isn't reasonable because most homes/apartments only have a heater, not air conditioning.So its either sweat to death or breathe in smoke.

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“There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis

And it isn't his problem you have asthma...I'm just messing with you. That would be really messed up if someone said that to you as an honest response.

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“There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis

Well, as long as you ignore the different between willful, intentional, reckless, negligent, knowing and several other degrees of conduct.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

What makes this smoking ordinance any different from a noise ordinance?

Most noise ordinances apply only during certain times of the day.No noise ordinance that I'm aware of prohibits all noise that might reach someone else's ear.When people live within a certain proximity to one another, it's impossible for each of them to live their lives in such a way as to avoid any overlap of interests. It thus becomes a matter of balancing interests.In a perfect world, one could rely on the political process to try to strike a balance that gives due regard to the interests of all. However, when one of the groups is disenfranchised as a practical matter, then we can no longer rely on the political process to get a fair result. And, in the current political climate, with everyone and has dog telling us that smoking is responsible for cancer, heart disease and killing kittens, and the number of people smoking going down every year, you'd be a fool to think that the political process is going to give any regard to the interests of smokers.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Most noise ordinances apply only during certain times of the day.

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If people have screaming matches every afternoon, I am sure that they could be charged with disturbing the peace, or at the very least evicted for being a nuisance tenant.And believe me, in certain college towns I've lived in, the noise ordinances are pretty strict and do apply for most of the day. They had to enact these since college kids who lived in residential neighborhoods were having loud parties at all hours of the day and night and were hindering people's quiet enjoyment of their homes.

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No noise ordinance that I'm aware of prohibits all noise that might reach someone else's ear.

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The thing is, reasonable amounts of noise are something that nearly all of us make. We talk, we manuipulate objects, we play musical instruments and recordings, watch media, etc. It is part of nearly eveyone's existence from infancy. There are many, many forms of sound that are considered by most people to be perfectly innocuous, and many that are considered pleasant.Nobody has to smoke, just like nobody has to let off air horns.Find a way to smoke or let off air horns in a way that doesn't bother other people, or you don't get to do it. Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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That would be really messed up if someone said that to you as an honest response.

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Well, I guess you think Subbie is, "really messed up", then.

Better men than he have said so in the past.I expect others will say it again in the future.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

A reasonable inference from the way this thread petered out is that my attempt 6 years ago was for naught.As I type this now, I've not had a smoke since Sunday evening. I'm not saying I'm quitting. I'm saying I'm not smoking right now. So far so good. I don't think I'm as edgy as I was Monday night or most of Tuesday.I didn't tell the wife, but she figured it out by last night. Other than that, nobody else knows.

I switched to e-cigs and its amazing.I still get my nicotine but my lungs don't feel ruined.But you gotta buck up a little and get a good refillable one and not one of those cheap disposable gas station ones.

Well, considering that one of my motivating factors right now is a lack of buckage, I probably won't be going down that route.

You are official quitting when you get all of the cigarettes out of the house. I wish you all the best.

I wouldn't give the tobacco industry a single cent of my money. But that's my personal issue.The jury is still out on the health effects, but what is pretty clear is that e-cigs are not a path to quitting smoking.For you, I say just be careful with that e-liquid stuff. People who swallow that poison occasionally end up in the hospital. Don't even get it on your skin.

I'm not. Well, I don't inhale tobacco smoke any more, so I'd say that means I quit smoking. But I never intended to give up nicotine, its too good, like caffeine, or alcohol. And nicotine goes great with alcohol and caffeine. The e-liquid can have a pretty hefty dose of nicotine, up to 36 mg/ml. That's where the "poison" comes from. Other than that, its propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and flavor.The local place that makes my juice uses food grade PG and VG.

I wouldn't say it's good for you, but it seems better (and cheaper), that cigs.I wouldn't start them, but then again, I never smoked tobacco.