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Chimp Inactive Member |
Here is the definition of "algorithm":
Algorithm - Wikipedia
quote: DNA is an algorithm, a finite set of instructions, which can construct a carbon based life form. The life form physically contains the DNA and the DNA contains the life form in an "abstract" sense. At a fundamental level of existence, it is postulated that "nature" could be constructed of tiny strings, and those strings, loops, or branes, could even be constructed of string "bits". These bits could encode information, analogous to the universe's "DNA"? A set of instructions built into the fabric of space/time and mass/energy?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
DNA is an algorithm, a finite set of instructions There are no instructions in DNA. All DNA does is catalyze the formation of proteins. It's just chemistry. It's not a computer. There's no more "instructions" in DNA then there are "instructions" in a water molecule for the formation of ice.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Chimp, don't forget your God = Greatest Common Factor topic.
You also have started other topics, under a previous ID (A forum violation, which I will, at least for now, let you get away with). I don't want to see you starting ANY more topics for a while. Adminnemooseus
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Chimp Inactive Member |
http://www.bimcore.emory.edu/...Mrobbin/project/protdna.html
quote: Page not found - Black Hawk College Edward O. Wilson on The Biological Basis of Morality - The Atlantic
quote: http://seqcore.brcf.med.umich.edu/doc/educ/dnapr/pg1.html
quote: Crash frog's opinion appears to be incorrect?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Crash
It's just chemistry. It's not a computer. The computer is not the algorithm -- the program in the computer "cell" is the algorithm. The old computers (I know you will like this ... ah the old days with whole air-conditioned rooms dedicated to banks of machines assembled into one computer) used punch cards to encode instructions and they had to be stacked "just so" and have no errors for the program to produce the desired results. Mistakes on the cards or shuffling some cards caused problems. Many times the program would crash (die) but sometimes it would appear to give the desired answer with some hidden error in it. However, I do have trouble with extending that analogy to the {cosmic realm and string theory and quantum mechanics} to imply a design process. You can look at DNA (or RNA) sequences and say {this section can build protein "X" under these conditions, while this section can build protein "Q" under these (different) conditions}. There is no such link known for quantum mechanics into the macro-universe. There is also no "universe-cell" structure ... (sorry) ... to "interpret" the information in assembling bits and pieces into stars, planets, galaxies, etc. A stack of punched cards without the computer "cell" to interpret them are just landfill. DNA (or RNA) without a (biological) cell is just an organic molecule. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
not that your's on the cosmic information is rendered correct thereby.
you and DNAUnion should have an interesting discussion. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Crash frog's opinion appears to be incorrect? Any statement that DNA includes "instructions" is an analogy only. It's just as accurate to say that DNA is just chemistry, because it is. It's fairly useful to consider cretain sequences of nucleotides as "instructions", but that's just an analogy, and it's inappropriate to go from that to a statement that DNA has real instructions in it.
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DNAunion Inactive Member |
Can you name one thing that does contain instructions?
[This message has been edited by DNAunion, 04-02-2004]
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Condom wrappers. In a sense, no. Every atom seems to have its own "instruction set" or rules to follow no different than DNA within a cell. I can't think of an easy way to separate out the instructions in an atom from the instructions in DNA. PS. This is all starting to sound a little too familiar.
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DNAunion Inactive Member |
So nothing contains instructions? Or a single atom contains instructions? Either position is kind of extreme (and foolish?), don't you think.
[This message has been edited by DNAunion, 04-02-2004]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Can you name one thing that does contain instructions? The manual to my VCR?
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DNAunion Inactive Member |
No, that's just ink.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
No, the manual contains instructions, and here's how I know:
It was the intent of the writers of the manual to include instructions (this I know from the definition of "manual"); and, as a speaker of English, I can verify personally that the arrangement of text explains to me how to program the VCR. Now, the manual doesn't program the VCR for me, and neither does it compel me to program it. Instructions are messages from one person to another that explain how do accomplish a task in steps. If there's "instructions" in DNA, then who put them there?
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Chimp Inactive Member |
http://www.blc.arizona.edu/...e/DNA_Tutorial.HTML#Components
quote: AGCT looks like code to me... DNA? = information? Physicist Stephen Hawking writes:
quote: At the most fundamental length scales, the fundamental paticles, called "strings", could be constructed of even more basic units i.e. bits? analogous to a computer code? 1010100010...etc. Universal algorithms? This assumption seems to hint for a designed universe, or even stranger still, a universe that is a type of life form...??? [This message has been edited by Chimp, 04-03-2004]
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Chimp Inactive Member |
quote: Excellent point DNAunion. Yes, frogs can't have their cake and eat it too...
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