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I don't think it will be too long before suicide bombing becomes a regular feature on the Extreme Sports Channel; it's got to be less boring than Pro Bull Riding. And it would be a sponsors dream. Imagine how many Budweiser stickers you could plaster all over a 747.

So how long before you and others stop trying to cram your morals down the throats of those who want to allow homosexuals to marry? So you're ok with allowing gay marriage then? Certainly it would be hypocritical for you to try to deny others from living as they please, following their beliefs.Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

Living as you please doesn't mean you have a right to force society to sanction it. Just live it, do as you please and stop trying to change institutions to suit yourself.

So women were allowed to live as they pleased when they wanted to vote but couldn't? Slaves were allowed to live as they pleased when they wanted their freedom but couldn't have it? So would that have been your response to the slaves and female suffragettes?

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

You are changing the subject. I haven't said there are never injustices that need to be remedied.Depriving two people of marriage who have no natural reason to be married is not an injustice. The push to force this on society is absurd and perverse -- and THAT would be an injustice.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

They love each other, whats not natural about that?

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

This is pure opinion, an opinion that fewer and fewer people hold. I do not think same sex marriage is "perverse". There are a number of places where same sex marriage is legal, and will probably come to a state near you in the next 10 years.You fundies claimed that same-sex marriage in Massachusetts would destroy marriage and the moral fiber of this country. I have been watching the news and checking my marriage. So far no effect on my marriage and no destruction of society in Mass. Were you guys lying?

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Everything on these subjects is opinion. Some opinions are better than others. Numbers never were the highest standard of wisdom. Silly opinion. Heterosexuality is natural. It produces children. Homosexuality is a weird parody of heterosexuality. It's perverse all right. And marrying two entities who cannot reproduce is perverse. Very likely. So goes the world. As the thread here on the lack of meaning in the very idea of marriage testifies, marriage HAS BEEN destroyed already in exactly the sense we mean it -- seems most there have no idea it means anything at all or ever did -- and gay marriage is just the last nail in the coffin. Straw man Theodoric. Nobody was EVER talking about individual marriages but you all just LOVE to carry on as if that's what it means. We're tlking about the MEANING of marriage in society, its being respected and taken seriously. Again, go read that thread about marriage. It has no meaning at all for most any more. Dead and done for. Thanks to a large extent to Cultural Marxism, say I -- attack on basic western values for purpose of bringing down the hated western civilization Marxy-defined ("purely" or not is irrelevant) as the Oppressor. SOME of us would like to reinstate it but that's PROBABLY impossible. We can try though. Well, if you don't see that society IS as good as destroyed I'm not going to be able to convince you.Cheers.

One proof of the destruction of the meaning of marriage is that it is now equated with romantic love.

So the sole purpose of marriage is for procreation? I had a vasectomy during my first marriage. So my marriage to my wife is perverse? How about people that have no desire for children? Is their marriage perverse? Is the use of birth control perverse? Actually individual marriages are what make up the MEANING of marriage. Same sex marriages have not altered what I feel is the meaning of marriage. This is not at all a strawman. If you make a claim that same sex marriage destroys marriage as an institution you need to show how and why it would. The only thing it destroys is a religious idea of what marriage should be. The legality of a civil marriage has nothing to do with religious beliefs. Whether a civil authority allows same sex marriage it should not add or subtract from your religious beliefs about marriage. Religious beliefs about marriage are a much different thing than the civil legal marriage.
Why do you continue to want to force your beliefs on those that do not have the same beliefs as you? Well evidence would be a good start.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Romantic love is part of marriage, but yes there are other things, llike various rights and responsibilities that come with a legally recognized union. Why should gay couples be denied these rights and responsibilities?

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

Yet males and ONLY males have pleasure center in the Anus.... I guess your God intended something to be stuck up the Anus.... but what exactly?.... hmmmmI don't know about you but such a thing would make it seem natural.... maybe that's just me Do you mean the American society that you falsely claim was a Christian one but really never was?

Marriage is sanctioned by the state, not nature. How is gay marriage being forced on anyone? Are you saying that heterosexuals are being forced to marry same sex partners?

What do you mean no natural reason? Why should a person's sexual preference deny him or her of the benefits of marriage ie health & death benefits, tax breaks etc. There is more to marriage than reproduction.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

No, he's not.In a debate, we expect the other side to be at least somewhat consistent with their argument, not jump from goal post to goal post.During the era of slavery, most of psychology viewed that the natural state of the black race was servitude. When the abolitionist movement took shape and more and more black people openly wanted freedom, it was even claimed by mainstream psychology that black people wanting anything other than living their lives in servitude was a mental illness.Society at large held this view and to them it wasn't natural for black folks to be free and equal. Freeing the slaves was absurd and perverse. And indeed, to them, freeing the slaves was forcing the rest of society to accept something they did not want to accept.See, your argument that popular opinion = law = justice not only has to work with gay marriage issue, it has to be consistent with other scenarios at well. Again, you have to be consistent in a debate setting. Your government has to apply to slavery, segregation, women's rights movement, etc.But clearly, your government doesn't hold water when it comes to slavery, segregation, etc. Why should we expect it to hold water with regard to gay marriage?And you haven't answered my question. I pointed out that the then governor Bush of Texas openly supported the criminalization of homosexuality. People who were caught practicing it were thrown in jail, and Bush openly supported this. Do you or do you not agree that the law was unjust? Note that I'm not even talking about gay marriage. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.