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Brad McFall
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Message 51 of 79 (99693)
04-13-2004 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Eta_Carinae
04-13-2004 1:20 PM


Re: You (and it seems Asimov) are misunderstanding Thermodynamics
Not believing in (a)free will is a bit much to impose. Provine does not premit studenets to so think even about entropy changing ( he would have allowed me to freely express some willingness that entropy could be macroscopically describable someday)but did permit it.

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Brad McFall
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Message 62 of 79 (100058)
04-14-2004 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Loudmouth
04-13-2004 7:17 PM


Re: You (and it seems Asimov) are misunderstanding Thermodynamics
I am trying to work up an example where the actual sequence need not be known but relies instead only on different symmetries that are SUBSEQUENTLY applied to various macromolecular series that are known. The "trick" is to get temporality out of spatial assymetries by purely known physical effects-- still working though - so nothing to report but this only speaks"" of the people figuing out the bang not the bucks that exploded before it was thought up.

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Brad McFall
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Message 64 of 79 (100066)
04-14-2004 7:59 PM
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04-14-2004 7:48 PM


Re: You (and it seems Asimov) are misunderstanding Thermodynamics
yes,yes- but I will be deriving the 2-dimensionality from theorems in geometry NOT from empirical data in actual expts or NMRprojections from which tests of the idea will ensue. Only "length" will be subsummed by elliptic geometry while any acutal projection to the 3-D form of any organisms would have to go thru hyperbolic geometry but the different kinds of symmetry can get me a ONE SIDED view no matter the DNA. This may be physically impossible (as to loops for instance) but I have to start to do some calculations first where there will be multiple KINDS of geometry active in the geneology of a common metric I presume would bind all empricial claims if it adds indeed value. I have always worried that the loops took on too much prominence in that they used only a planar idea thru the ribosome while it has acual volume and I wonder whether it is not 'action at a distance' directionally that affect the relation of TRNA's to stops and starts as if read-thru was not going to be a 3-D problem. I may not be able to keep the unknown length undefined in that case but so far I have not tried to actually predict secondary structure but the means to get beyond one dimension exist in the geometric principle of duality. The degree of incidence may be quite large for any random length supposed however.

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