God is good and evil

Aren't you confusing everywhere with everything? According to your logic, though I would call it illogic, because God is everywhere everybody is God. Think about it, "God is evil cos God is everywhere" isn't entirely coherent. If God was everything he would be evil - but he isn't everything. For example - he isn't me.Personally, I don't think God created evil, I will return later to divulge. I'm back, Even if God is everywhere as far as we can understand it, him being aware of all things, we see from the Bible that his actual presence, in his form - cannot abide sin. I am not sure the Bible makes out God as omnipresent but I am certain he is aware of all things. When in Leviticus he is about to come down to the people they have to thoroughly clean themselves of all sin and make sacrifices "lest they die" So it appears that when God's true presence or form is in one place he cannot abide sin or evil.As for your comment about him creating evil. Ok, I have a whole philisophical opinion about this,Lol. I think, that with minds comes an awareness - naturally, of all wrongs. This however is only the case with minds of a certain intelligence. An animal like a cat, does not know whether it is right or wrong to kill the mouse, all it knows is that it is hungry. Now, with minds of intelligence the possibility of evil starts at the mind. But only the possibility. For example, there is an obvious difference between going out and killing someone or only thinking of going out and killing someone.So, the mind of intelligence automatically is able to know the right and wrong. Example: You ask a mechanic to fix your wheel. The mechanic knows how to fix that wheel, yet if he is intelligent enough to know how to fix the wheel he is also able to do it wrongly. So, he knows that to attatch the wheel to the ground would not be to fix it. Or to adjust the wheel a tad in the wrong direction - is well, wrong. That does not mean because he has thought of any wrong/evil he is responsible for it. Now, if devil/satan is also a mind then we run the risk of him knowing that there is a possibility of wrong/evil. As we understand this, many Angels are obviously fine. They know the right/wrong but they don't do this.Unfortunately satan took the step of going against God and preferring his own path and evil. So, despite the intelligent mind having the possibility of evil this seems the only way with an intelligent mind. It seems to me that the total free will and choice of the mind makes too many possibilities for wrongs to not be possible. I could be totally wrong - but I thought I would offer an opinionated rant. Think about it though, with a mind of choice instead of a mindless biological robot this would obviously include and relate to the Adam and Eve situation.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 02-27-2004]

The only good point and refutation you made was this: Ofcourse, we all have evil thoughts. Are you talking about when Jesus says something similar to " if you even think adultery you have done it in your heart ". Ofcourse, that kind of blows my theory a bit. I should have remembered that teaching but I was on a rant. So then, how can I be saved from all these things - all my bad thoughts etc?I do think you are confusing everything with everywhere. Some of the things you say do not seem to relate to your argument logically. If we are all sinful because we have even thought bad things - that is our fault, not God's. Remember, it was satan who chose to have evil thoughts against God.As for the painting analogy. Are you saying Van Gogh is made out of oil paint and that he still hangs on walls to this day?Let's just say that God = apple, physical evil acts = ball.Let us pretend that only the ball is a production of space/time matter. If the apple is everywhere it does not mean it is the ball. The ball remains a ball unless the apple is everything. If the apple is not a part of space/time and is and/or unseen, it can be everywhere yet it it is seemingly nothing. It is an all powerful unseen force which is everywhere yet it at no time is a ball. Infact - the apple can remain independent from the ball because it consists not of any ball parts. Therefore if the ball starts rolling and destructing space/time/matter humans, then infact it is because of the ball only, the apple is not space/time fabric. So if apple = God, and ball = evil, how is God's omnipresence related to the ball, or how is the apple causing the ball's destruction of things by merely watching if you like, the guilty ball? No, because he/she was born without the knowledge of right and wrong or has lost the ability to discern. So - like the animal, the person will become more innocent even. Infact I don't see how you can put those words in my mouth.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 03-01-2004]

God is not everything, for example he is not me: Indeed - you can see how I am very much NOT putting God in a box. He can be everywhere without being everything. For example - I am not God. What? By saying he is independent of space/time and therefore escapes confinement?

Good point about the faith Born2preach!Yes, we can ofcourse never know God fully and the unlimitless inteligence involved. Though I think you would agree, Christ certainly gives us an insight.PS. Thanks for the support in the other thread, you must do tag teams on that wrestling mat.

This latest newbie seems to be the Atheistic version of Des'.An annoying newbie who should take heed of your post. I think s/he should get a warning or atleast read the rules.