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1.61803
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Message 41 of 114 (101087)
04-20-2004 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Catalyst
02-26-2004 10:32 PM


The devil is in hell.
catalyst writes:
ok then where is the devil
Where is the devil? Hopefully roasting hotdogs in hell. LOL.
The devil is an angel named Lucifer, Angels according to Catholic tradition are beings of pure intellect and spirit. They are trancendant of physical reality and time. At the moment of Lucifers creation his choice to rebel was made because time means nothing to the spirit. God created the angels but not the choices the angels made. Nor our own choices for that matter. The Devil rebelled and made a choice. The choice was to challenge Gods omnipotence. And apparently it was a bad choice because God cast him and his followers into Hell. So the answer to your question is God is omnipotent/omnipresent and the Devil is in hell with Hitler. This all assumes you are a believer in God and the accounts as written in the bible and interpretations of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Otherwise it is just mythology and you need not worry where the devil is.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Message 42 of 114 (101089)
04-20-2004 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Cold Foreign Object
04-19-2004 6:10 PM


I contend that God is manifested in everything. I contend that the Trinity concept as interpreted by the Holy Roman Catholic church was a bunch of metaphysical Aristotilian wiggling in order to keep early christians from questioning whether or not they are pagans for worshiping 3 entities God the Father , God the son, and God the holy ghost. Some early christan churches were teaching that Jesus was not of the same SUBSTANCE as God. And there for not One with the Father.
It was settled in a bitter debate. But how do we know who was right?

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Message 49 of 114 (101167)
04-20-2004 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by crashfrog
04-20-2004 3:52 AM


Crashfrog writes:
we conclude therefore that praying obviously didn't affect the outcome of the toss.
Hi Crash, If I may reply as well..You raise a interesting point here. If ones prayers are answered and another's are denied then IF there is a God it would make sense that he must remain impartial for the very reason that answering one prayer disallows anothers. Many Christians believe that God is all good and incapable of evil. I contend that good and evil are 'human' concepts and are irrelevant where God is concerned if he does infact exist. I also realize that from a atheist stand point this would translate into "what good is a God if he is insusiant to the activities of universe?" If one ponders the existance of a being who is omnipotent and benevolent as God is often described then the question of why did he even bother with a creation of the universe in the first place? Why would a all powerful being NEED or want to do anything if he is perfect and complete as is?I asked this question many times. Maybe it/she, he just did it just because it/she, he could. This of course is just personal pondering and NOT a claim that a God exist. Peace *edit to delete typo
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Message 58 of 114 (101586)
04-21-2004 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by compmage
04-20-2004 4:07 PM


Hi compmage,
compamage writes:
Any action God performs, being a change or variation from absolute perfection, would be imperfect.
This very point has been a hotly debated subject amoung theologians for ages, Saint Thomas Aquinas wrote of this and from what I read in the Summa Theologica , God is Perfect, and Being in itself. His decision to create was not a 'variation' from his perfect state. God being perfect made a decision to share this perfection, or love. He did not have to do it. He did it out of love. This is simply a Catholic interpretation and NOT a statement of fact or truth. Take care.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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1.61803
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Message 87 of 114 (102960)
04-27-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by atrejusan
04-26-2004 7:58 PM


atrejusan writes:
Why?
Ah.....The question I myself would love an answer to.
Perhaps the why is deeply seated in personal faith. Hence the Forum name Faith and Beliefs. A concept that Spock has never completely understood as faith is not based on logic. Why do some people have faith and beliefs and others do not? One answer given is that man is a neurotic ape. Another is we were created by an omnipotent/ benevolent being. Which do you believe atrejusan?? And welcome to Faith and Beliefs *edit typo..
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