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desdamona Inactive Member |
I have not even seen any such models of supposed evidence. I have only seen different interpretations by different scientists,and they don't have models of actual evidence.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Scientists,do you mean all scientists,because if you do not know this already by now,many if not most scientists today aggressively disagree,and this fact is proven by those who are actual scientists I can give you the names of 300 scientists working in biology, geology, and paleontology (and a few other fields) who all agree that evolution is an acceptably accurate description of the history of life on Earth. And those 300 are just the ones named "Steve." If you tried you could maybe find 20-30 biologists who are creationists, of any name. Like baseball fans, the details are often a matter of dispute. But while any two baseball fans may not agree on which team had the best year, they certainly agree that baseball exists. Evolution is the same way. The details are discussed but no serious scientist questions the general effecacy of the model - anyone who claims otherwise does so not via the scientific method but by substituting rationality with dogma.
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desdamona Inactive Member |
I'm sure there are many more than 300 scientists that will disagree with evolution and thats not even the christian ones. Whatever puts you to sleep at night dude!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I'm sure there are many more than 300 scientists that will disagree with evolution Oh? You have names? I imagine that if you scroll through the membership of AiG or the ICR, you'll see a lot of theologians, a lot of people with education degrees, a lot of engineers, a lot of computer programmers, and a whole lot of people with degrees they made themselves at a Kinko's. What you won't find a lot of are actual scientists with advanced degrees in fields relevant to evolution, like biology, geology, and paleontology. The number one employer of geologists is the oil industry. Why don't you come back and tell me how many creationist geologists they currently employ?
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
This is off topic, and one reason I wanted to start a new thread concerning evolution and the evidence of...
This is a perfect example Des, of making a claim and now being asked to support it. I KNOW that Crash can support his claim because I have seen the poll already. Now it is your turn to support your claim or to retract it. Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"
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desdamona Inactive Member |
I will get you plenty of names,although I'm sure you'll come up with all kinds of reasons why they cannot be trusted,but you are on.
My husband works for the oil industry. And there is also a poll? good,can I see it? Desdamona
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desdamona Inactive Member |
May I please see this poll? It needs to be modern.
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desdamona Inactive Member |
Why would a scientist need to study evolution if he has already been convinced that it is not valid?
How many scientists have to study evolution and get a degree in it when they have access already to prove to themselves if they find it relevant or not? Desdamona
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
http://www.ncseweb.org/article.asp?category=18
Remember, these are just those scientists with doctorates who's name is Steve (or Stephanie or Esteban or Etienne...) The list link is where you will find the names. Here is another article discussing the list. Project Steve: Humorous Test of Scientists' Attitudes Towards Intelligent Design Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I will get you plenty of names,although I'm sure you'll come up with all kinds of reasons why they cannot be trusted I only need one reason - whether or not they're degreed scientists working in relevant fields. You don't go to a doctor to get help with your taxes; evolution is a biological theory so you have to assess it with biological expertise.
My husband works for the oil industry. As a geologist? Is he employed to find oil deposits? Working at a gas station doesn't count as being "employed by the oil industry."
And there is also a poll? good,can I see it? Asgara's got the link. She knows the poll I'm talking about. 300+ scientists in relevant fields support evolution and are named Steve.
Why would a scientist need to study evolution if he has already been convinced that it is not valid? You misunderstood. I'm not asking for you to give me names of evolutionist creationists (obviously.) But since the theory of evolution is a theory of biology, you have to be a biologist to expertly assess the data and judge the theory, one way or another.
How many scientists have to study evolution and get a degree in it when they have access already to prove to themselves if they find it relevant or not? Without a degree in biology they don't have the access or the expertise to judge the evidence. That, and you have to study the things that you reject to know why you reject them. I'll wager dollars to donuts that us evolutionists are more familiar with creationist literature, organizations, and arguments than the creationists here usually are. Creationists on the other hand, not only know nothing about evolution, generally, but they don't know anything about creationism, either. Oh, and try not to reply to messages more than once... if you need to add something, use the "edit" button on your original post. Multiple replies is a headache for the person you're talking to.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Your free association approach to discussion is entertaining, but it causes you to drift off topic. Funkman originally said in Message 6:
funkman writes: I believe God's evidence (the Bible) is infallible,... The response I made was that the Bible was written by very fallible men. --Percy
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desdamona Inactive Member |
Have you noticed that these web sites are pro-evolution and not nuetral?
here are a few better sites: GenNet.org and scienceagainstevolution.org and ex-atheist.com The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is clearly against evolution. I cannot see how anyone can honestly say other wise? Desdamona
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desdamona Inactive Member |
yes,sinners who had to be very cautious. They were not the pagans.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
First I think you should explain the 2nd law in your own words, and then tell us why evolution violates it.
Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is clearly against evolution. I cannot see how anyone can honestly say other wise? Orderly crystals form from mixed-up, disorderly liquids, spontaneously. It happens every winter, for instance. (Oh, wait. Not where you live. ) Ponder for a moment how that might be and you'll see that evolution doesn't contradict the second law.
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