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Author Topic:   Don't get it (Re: Ape to Man - where did the hair go?)
coffee_addict
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Message 5 of 116 (96166)
03-30-2004 9:25 PM


quote:
It's like you guys are thinking totally backwards on this. How do you guys come up with this stuff?
I often wonder the same thing.

  
coffee_addict
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Message 24 of 116 (96424)
03-31-2004 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Coragyps
03-31-2004 2:07 PM


quote:
Fortunately for all of you, you haven't seen my butt. If I could knit, I could make a sweater for a chihuahua from the shearings I could harvest back there.
And then, I had six wisdom teeth, like, say, a chimpanzee does......
Unlike you, my body is almost as bare as my computer monitor... or Ned's head
But seriously, 6 wisdom teeth? Are you some kind of mutant?

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coffee_addict
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Message 57 of 116 (103123)
04-27-2004 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 3:02 PM


pbaylis writes:
Come on, don't tell me I've silenced thinkers and am just getting the hecklers now.
When more than one valued members on this board tell you that you are full of sh**, it is time for you to take a step back and evaluate yourself rather than keep assuming that you are the almighty and everyone else is wrong.
If you want some extreme examples of when people like you are not taken seriously, look for posts made by desdamona.

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coffee_addict
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Message 79 of 116 (103255)
04-28-2004 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 9:49 PM


Re: Whatever
pbaylis writes:
How did they wear down their prey if they did not run them down? Humans couldn't chase or wear down much more than a chicken in their back yard.
You seem to be missing the point that early humans did not rely solely on running their prey to exhaustion. Having able to walk upright and gaining the opposable thumb makes us perfect as gatherers. Again, do not try to compare us with the lion or the tiger. Early humans probably did not run their preys to exhaustion. They probably started out as gatherers and scavengers. Then, having the ability to communicate gave humans the advantage of group work to hunt animal.
Every animal has some appearance of being well-adapted to its environment. Humans show very little. If humans went bald as a heat regulating mechanism, their skin should show a more adapted quality. Such a drastic adaptation as loss of hair should be accompanied by some compensating adaptation to the now-exposed skin.
Loudmouth already answered this issue with the following on post 58.
quote:
Increased melanin protects us from harmful UV rays in absence of fur. Camels actually use their fur to insulate themselves against the heat, and they are able to withstand increases in body temp unlike humans (at least this is what I remember from my mammalian physiology course 10 years ago). Camels then release the heat during the night. If I remember right, if you shave a camel they will die of heat exposure during the day due to the lack of insulation, much like ice in a cooler will last longer than ice out in the open.
Humans use a different technique, using evaporative cooling instead of releasing the heat at night. Other animals are less active and therefore are able to cope with the heat by resting in the shade or limiting their exposure to the sun (such as lions and other predators). Humans actively hunt during the time other predators are resting, and use a technique somewhat like wolves in North America. They wear their prey down instead of ambushing them or running them down. Increased evaporative cooling due to thinner hair makes sense in this scenario.
I would like to add that many of the characteristics you see today in humans, and some are even called disadvantages, are due to mutations that were not disadvantagous enough to not allow the individuals to reproduce. The various genetic diseases you see today are due to errors in meiosis in the reproductive process. Some, such as hemophilia, are very recent mutations, recent enough that already advances in medicine and such have allowed these individuals to survive.
Again, you fail to put into account our ability to think as an advantage over other animal.
When you see Masai Mara people on Discover Channel trekking across the open lion-infested Savannah accompanying their herds of cattle, does it look to you like they are well-adapted? They look like the proverbial fish out of water. They cannot run, cannot climb, cannot handle the heat or cold without clothing. If they cool off in the water, they get their tootsies wrinkled, they need water very often to prevent dehydration. If this was an evolution, it was a strange one. We just don't fit in.
Obviously, these people have what they need right there in front of them to survive. Why should they be anything else if all they need to survive are what they have now?
Oh piss off, you pathetic little man. Discuss something or shove off.
pbaylis, please.

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coffee_addict
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Message 82 of 116 (103264)
04-28-2004 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by RAZD
04-28-2004 12:52 AM


Re: Whatever
RAZD writes:
There are documented instances of people walking after deer, tracking them until the deer are too tired to run anymore. Tried to find on web, bu too many results.
When I was in social studies in high school, we learned about a tribe in nowadays Mexico that, through tradition, require all the men to be able to, or at least try their best, chase certain animal until the animal are exhausted.

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coffee_addict
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Message 89 of 116 (103289)
04-28-2004 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by pbaylis
04-28-2004 1:47 AM


Re: Whatever
pbaylis writes:
We've diverged all over the place, but the main thrust of this thread was why man had to make such a drastic change as to lose his hair, when other hairy animals did not have to. It is a drastic change that took a relatively short time. If it was evolutionary, it is very surprising. Current theories just don't cut it.
Do us all a favor and study some more on this topic before you make such a statement. Just because you haven't been able to absorb information that Froggy and Danny presented doesn't mean that they don't make sense at all.
So far, they have answered every question you posted on the subject. Now, you simply turned around and said they haven't said anything useful. You've just proven to us that you been approaching this with the "la la la I can't hear you" attitude all along.
Either start posting specific questions and explain to us why you don't think our answers are valid or go away.

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coffee_addict
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From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 93 of 116 (103385)
04-28-2004 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by rineholdr
04-28-2004 1:52 PM


rineholdr writes:
I believe your a jerk for making comments to this gentleman like you have...you attitude alone makes it hard to respect your opinion. He wasn't rude in the way, he just asked the questions...just wanted someone to help him understand. You in turn insult him personnaly and us profanity to do so. I judge folks intelligence by the words they use and profanity just shows you havent the intellect to chose a better word to express yourself, and you just closed the window on my respect of your ability to have an open mind. Not that you would care much what I think but...
Just because you're a gentleman doesn't mean you are intelligent. I judge people on their reading comprehension and how ready they are to new ideas. Just read more of Froggy's posts and compare those to pbaylis'. Anyone with a decent reading comprehension skill would notice that the frog is far better at presenting his argument than pbaylis.

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coffee_addict
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Message 95 of 116 (103403)
04-28-2004 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Loudmouth
04-28-2004 2:07 PM


Good call Loudmouth. I'll keep that in mind.

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coffee_addict
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Message 104 of 116 (104744)
05-02-2004 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by RAZD
04-29-2004 10:25 AM


Re: hairless cats {and swimming cats}
That cat looks somewhat like a rat. Is it possible that the cats and the rats are finally beginning to agree to live in peace? In some past human traditions, in order to end a bloody war, each side would marry their prince and princess as a symbol of peace. The mother of that cat probably slept with a male rat

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