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Author Topic:   Don't get it (Re: Ape to Man - where did the hair go?)
mike the wiz
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Message 3 of 116 (96112)
03-30-2004 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by WiseMan
03-30-2004 7:52 PM


Well, you've picked up on the time factor. Time doesn't help, things age, decay and die quickly. Time is our enemy, what use would adaptations be unless you could have them when you need them? My thoughts are similar to yours on this.
Millions of years is hardly a quick fix, and if the changes aren't necessarily desperatly needed, then why would they happen at all?
Fact is, losing all that ape-like hair is too risky for survival reasons, so I doubt we came from a common ancestor. Also, we would need to swing in the trees with nasty beasties with large teeth on the floor, so again I'm confused. Fact is there are lots of apes and monkeys surviving fine so why would we have needed to evolve in the first place?
Hair for warmth trees for safety and then we go bare arsed running into the field of lions. Lol.

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mike the wiz
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Message 9 of 116 (96254)
03-31-2004 6:22 AM
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03-30-2004 8:23 PM


Adaptation happens to populations, not to individuals. Why do I feel like I'm repeating myself? Oh, wait, I am.
You're born with all the adaptations you'll ever have.
Actually, I think we posted at the same time and so we read my post as message three, I hadn't read your previous explanation.
I know we are born with the mutations already happened, I'm talking more about when changes are needed immediately in order to survive - well, evolution happens slowly.
How many trees do you think there are on the African steppe, where humanity evolved?
So then, why was the common ancestor ape-like? What would apes be doing evolving on the African steppe? Wouldn't they be in trees? Or do you mean that they moved from a tree habitat to such a place?
It's like you guys are thinking totally backwards on this. How do you guys come up with this stuff?
Well, I mean - if we inquire and find that there is an answer to the questions then isn't that a good thing?

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mike the wiz
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Message 11 of 116 (96260)
03-31-2004 6:49 AM
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03-31-2004 6:35 AM


Like, if we were talking about Christianity, and I asked "if Christianity is true, then how do you explain the fact that Buddha beat Jesus in a street fight?" you might be very justified in wondering just where the hell I was getting my information about Christianity.
Lol, infact you confuse Jesus, it was actually Allah versus Buddha and Jesus was the referee, they killed eachother and Jesus was the one left.
Seriously though Crash, the only time I use provocation is when you guys are ignoring me when I'm lurking and bored and/or to tickle my ribs. I get a kick out of posting something controversial and then running, I call it a splash and dash. I promise to be a good boy today.
The fact that sometimes changes are needed immediately for a species to survive is why the fossil record is largely one of extinction.
that basically makes me content that there are explanations for the questions. I would say you have provided answers enough, the change of habitats does fit logically and I won't deny that.
Also, I must confess that I thought there was a possible explanation of the visual (so it seems), loss of hair, that being Natural Selection. My thoughts were, that because of the culling process (of information) - we wouldn't be able to get the hair back. That is atleast how I would justify it logically in my own mind anyways. Ho hum.....

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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 116 (96273)
03-31-2004 8:02 AM
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03-31-2004 7:15 AM


You are right Crash - you may well have a hairy back, I personally don't. You'll be hard pressed to find one hair.
I read something about Natural Selection that says if you lose the information then you can't get it back. For example, if we have two traits, big headed human and pin headed human, and the pin heads were just too dumb to survive then the big heads would survive only - therefore you could no longer find the pin headed gene.
I don't seek hair like an apes, but I do wonder why we are bare butted.

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