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jar
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Message 14 of 87 (106438)
05-07-2004 7:17 PM
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05-07-2004 7:04 PM


I think the most telling and inciteful
portion of the Gospel according to the Red Queen
`... is--Be what you would seem to be--or if you'd like it put more simply--Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'

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Message 24 of 87 (106478)
05-07-2004 9:26 PM
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05-07-2004 9:25 PM


Re: Some are easy
Well, what happens to passengers in a car if it hits a tree and suddenly stops?

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jar
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Message 28 of 87 (106484)
05-07-2004 9:48 PM
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05-07-2004 9:36 PM


Re: A car?
Yup. Just to put things in perspective, 60 MPH is 88 feet per second.
Now depending on where you are on the earths surface you may be moving at around 1000 miles an hour or or about 1400 feet per second.
Now if the Earth stops, you, and everything that is not locked down (water, trees, rocks, cattle, soldiers, etc) will continue moving at 1400 feet per second.

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jar
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Message 30 of 87 (106499)
05-07-2004 11:13 PM
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05-07-2004 7:04 PM


This is where people make the BIG Error,,,
one that is so big they can't recover from it.
They say:
Faced with a glaring inconsistency, I would probably assume that the majority ws right and that Mars is the fourth planet from the sun.
That is just an appeal to authority. They have a specific question there that can easily be verified. It is NOT a matter of of who has the majority opinion.
If everybody in the world believed that Mars was the ninth planet, it would still be the fouth planet and you personally can verify it.
If you watch the planets, some will pass in between the Earth and the Sun. Those that do are inside the orbit of Earth. You count them.
You can do the same looking in the other direction. You can physically see that Mars is between the Earth and Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus.
When you say you would assume that the majority is right, you are falling in the old trap of Authority, and Science does not work like that.
This is very important when looking at the Mythical Bible or the real Bible. When there are things in the Bible that simply could not have happened, or where all of the evidence seems to show that they did not happen, then you need to assume that the Bible was meant to be read figuratively and not literally.

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Message 34 of 87 (106622)
05-08-2004 2:53 PM
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05-08-2004 2:40 PM


one example of a Could Not Happen event
is found right at the beginning of Genesis.
It begins by saying God created the heaven and the earth.
If God began by creating the heaven and the earth, then the sun and the stars are part of that.
Later, it says God created light.
That is one example.
If the stars and the sun were created, light was created at that time as well, not at some later time. You cannot have the sun and the stars first and light later.

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jar
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Message 37 of 87 (106633)
05-08-2004 4:02 PM
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05-08-2004 3:51 PM


Re: Miracles?
quote:
Jar says:
It begins by saying God created the heaven and the earth.
This is an esoteric middle-eastern linguistic device known as an exordial sentence, otherwise known as an introduction
And so it should be taken literally or as a figure of speech?

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Message 42 of 87 (106657)
05-08-2004 5:56 PM
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05-08-2004 5:36 PM


Re: one example of a could happen event
and if you don't take it LITERALLY.
Just look at the fudging that we have had to go through and we are not even midway through Verse One.
The first line is just an introduction.
When God said "Let there be light" he didn't mean let there be light, what he meant was that the light got through the clouds.
And the next few lines of Genesis, particularly when it gets to the order in which things were created, totally falls apart.
I personally don't like the term Myth when applied to Genesis.
IMHO, it was an early Theory of Creation.
It worked well at the time, explained what the people saw and lasted for quite a while.
But like all Theories, when they can no longer explain the facts being observed, they need to be modified or abandoned.
This is no different than the early theories of desease that invoked humors, or the Ptolemaic Theory of the Solar Sytem.
The Genesis Theory of Creation simply does not hold up and needs to be abandoned.

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Message 49 of 87 (106762)
05-09-2004 9:47 AM
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05-09-2004 9:20 AM


Jules Vern
wrote many a book that showed something happening that later really did come true.
Arthur Clark has made far more prophecies that have come true than the Bible.
Read John Brunner's Shockwave Rider. It contains the first prophecies of an internet worm.
Every Scientist makes Prophecies. That is how science works. They say, "If this theory is true this should happen." They are called predictions and are an essential base for the theory of evolution.

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Message 56 of 87 (106914)
05-09-2004 9:44 PM
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05-09-2004 9:02 PM


You're right
I should have said that Arthur Clark made many predictions that came true. I do not have a count of the number of prophecies in the Bible. I apologize.

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jar
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Message 61 of 87 (106925)
05-09-2004 10:14 PM
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05-09-2004 10:01 PM


One of the good things about the Torah
is that there is so much additional documentation and commentary that go along with it.
One of the problems with the Christian Bible is that unlike the Koran and the Torah, translations, changes, additions and deletions were often made without making notes and attributions. That makes it difficult and near impossible to tell what changes were made or who made them. In fact, the Books to be included in the Bible were not even really decided until around 387 AD.

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