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Topic: The Mythical Bible
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SRO2 
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Message 1 of 87 (105786)
05-05-2004 11:56 PM
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The Bible (or any religious document for that matter) has often been described as a "Myth" or "Fairy tale" by "non believers". As a comparative study, lets propose that "believers" must prove that the "Wizard of OZ" by L. Frank Baum is a fictional account from L. Frank Baum's imagination. "Non-believers" must attempt to deny the opponents proof(s)of a fictional account. It's a role reversal if you will. 1st edit; changed "roll" to "role". This message has been edited by Rocket, 05-05-2004 10:58 PM
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SRO2
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Message 4 of 87 (106044)
05-06-2004 7:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Admin
05-06-2004 6:31 PM
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Thank you.
This is a tough one...but we ain't intersested in all this because it's easy.
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SRO2
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Re: Proof
I can assure you that you don't speak for "all" Christians. The preponderance seem to believe that the existance of the universe is proof that God exists.
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SRO2
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Re: One more thing
I was a wretch prior to the Queer eye for the straight guy make over. You can tell without the before picture my style was much improved.
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SRO2
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Message 27 of 87 (106482)
05-07-2004 9:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by jt
05-07-2004 4:43 PM
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Oh really?
You compared "The Wizard of Oz" to the bible, and it seems like you set up the debate in such a way as to show that "The Wizard of Oz" is not falsifiable. Then you were going to return to the comparison between the Bible and the wizard of oz and claim that the Bible is not falsifiable. If you have a good analogy you can do something like that, but the analogy you made is very flawed, so you can't draw valid conslusions from it. How is the analogy "flawed"? I would like an example rather than an unsupported statement.
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SRO2
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Message 31 of 87 (106565)
05-08-2004 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
05-07-2004 8:07 PM
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Kansas doesn't exist!?!
Rocket,it seems that you meant to compare the wizard of oz to The Bible, but they are completely different. One deals with a location, people, and events we cannot observe/left no trace. It is not falsifiable. When did they vote Kansas out of the union? What is the land they once called Kansas now?
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SRO2
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Message 46 of 87 (106741)
05-09-2004 5:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by jt
05-08-2004 2:40 PM
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Here is something slightly modified from one of my earlier posts: quote:The premise that "The Wizard of OZ" is not true is not falsifiable. The "The Wizard of OZ" makes no claims we can verify. It is written about an event that took place in a location we cannot see. The bible was written about supernatural events, yes. But it includes a huge dose of claims about how and where things took place. It is concerned with matters of history which scholars and archeaologists can examine. It makes prophetic claims which can be shown true or false. One of these deals with a location, people, and events we cannot observe/left no trace. It is not falsifiable. The other deals with well known cities and civilizations, famous kings and rulers, and well known events. It makes claims about these things. Much of it is falsifiable. Does that make it clear why I think the analogy is bad? If not, I can go into more detail. The events and locations of the Bible, were accounts written after the "events" from memory. Much of it has been translated, re-translated, changed, edited etc. etc.. there is nothing in the Bible that is verifiable. ....and no, Kansas is a real place.
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Message 50 of 87 (106786)
05-09-2004 11:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by almeyda
05-09-2004 8:48 AM
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Not allowed?
If the admins didn't allow it to go through...why are you repeating it here?...not only was it disapproved, it's off topic here...thats double jeopardy...suspend yourself twice for five consectutive minutes for a total of 10 minutes.
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SRO2
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Message 54 of 87 (106906)
05-09-2004 9:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by NosyNed
05-09-2004 9:22 PM
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Re: A bit more complex
Nothing is easier than prosletizing after the fact. Thats how all your prophets work.
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Message 58 of 87 (106916)
05-09-2004 9:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by jar
05-09-2004 9:44 PM
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Re: You're right
I don't know that you're wrong at all. It's possible that the prophesies in the bible weren't prophesies at all. Since it isn't certain what sequence the content of the bible was written...it could be that the prophesies contained within' were accounts of what happened after the fact, not what was going to occur...in other words, as far as I know, there is no timeline relative to the events. The "prophesies" in the bible could be to explain why the events occured the way they did, not conjecture that they would.
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Message 60 of 87 (106921)
05-09-2004 10:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by jt
05-09-2004 10:01 PM
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Well, I hope it's not "carbon dating" of the dead sea scrolls you're relying on...Ha!
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Message 65 of 87 (106941)
05-09-2004 11:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 64 by sidelined
05-09-2004 11:12 PM
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Nah.
You can tempt the lord god, nothin' happens.
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