The Mythical Bible

JT I must disagree with this statement.It would not matter whether God staopped the earth or rotated the universe around it.Either scenario carries with it physical consequences far beyond the point of the use of such a display in relation to its use in the bible.

JT So it must be naturally assumed then that God simply erased the memories of every individual upon the face of the planet to prevent their recording this extraordinary event in their own language and their own legends.And in addition to this maintain free will.A miracle indeed.LOL

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"We cannot define anything precisely! If we attempt to, we get into that paralysis of thought that comes to philosophers, who sit opposite each other, one saying to the other, 'You don't know what you are talking about!' The second one says 'What do you mean by know? What do you mean by talking? What do you mean by you?', and so on."

JT An unfortunate choice of legends since they do not record the even more devastating break with the laws of physics recorded by the bible after the sun was made to stand still.Not one of those articles makes mention of the retrograde motion of the sun in the sky evidenced by the sundial of Ahaz.

JT As we can see the Isaiah cries out and the immediate effect is that the shadow is brought backward ten degree. This means that the earth is immediately shifted backwards by that amount and nobody else noticed.To take a sphere the mass of Earth and shift it in its rotation for the purpose of a sign unto a single man to when he shall be healed.Do you,in the least silly little corner of your brain,not think that it is ludicrous in the extreme to go to all the fuss of this rather than just heal the man outright? Rather than say have him swim in a river and be healed instead we are going to totally suspend all the laws of physics by which the universe adheres in order to convince him?Please tell me you have some sense of proportion at the very least.This message has been edited by sidelined, 05-09-2004 09:38 PM

JT Of course not.Questioning a being whose existence you cannot demonstrate unambiguously yet whose properties{omnipotence} are something you are somehow privy to would be a silly thing wouldn't it? So how is it that such demonstrations cannot be performed now? Why is there no believing person today that cannot ask for such a display of obvious objective power?Oh yeah right thou shall not tempt the lord thy God? And Isaiah was not?

JT Well,it is hardly a debate when the question it all centers around is relegated to an invisible,immaterial essence that no one can detect because He is beyond space and time and therefore immune from further inquiry[how convenient].And yet great thought and arguement is put forth to attest to the truth of His existence.And this itself boils down to belief which is meaningless since one can believe in anything and there is no way to dispute its veracity when one falls back on empty assertions that do not further understanding.I can show you many instances where the Bible is wrong and your arguement becomes essentially God can do anything which is a statement empty of value. I have no problem with you having your beliefs since I am unaffected by a personal belief, but I can hardly be faulted for trying to show how the science we know is not in sync with the bibles' take on things.